EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%

  • Total voters
    1,050
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Yes but at least he is not dismissing their views as irrelevant now , or thick or rascist or anti business or irrelevant ..... Totally patronising. The north of England have a vote as well.
He is using and manipulating the poor and showing the same contempt as ever, pawns in a game , cannon fodder for centuries in this country and with the exception of a true leader like Atlee few leaders have ever cared
 
My point with Switzerland is that they have a hedge which is in essence an insurance policy to set up its own trade arrangements, they are tied to the eu in many ways with those bilateral arrangements and the piece on the referendum where they voted to curb inward migration in 2014 has yet to be resolved and its one to watch because as I understand it these referendum are legally binding as per their constitution but the eu has rejected the outcome of the vote (possibly a discussion that goes back to democracy I suppose) - It has to be resolved by February next year

Seriously how could anyone condone this, its a independent country not part of the EU and the EU tell them they dont accept the will of their people are they having a laugh?

FACIST DICTATORS set on complete control. The inners really need to get their heads out of the bloody sand!
 
On the first bit go and read it again

On the second bit my congratulations on an apt username

First bit. dont need to

second bit. are you suggesting that im wrong and we will indeed be surrounded by gunships and unable to leave??
Maybe you need to change your username to better reflect your need for meds.
 
Understand the concerns but there is no fact or proof any of that will happen. Whether we like it or not....whatever happens to EU is going to affect us whether we in or not...We are voting to stay in EU under the currently negotiated agreement which allows us to keep the pound and set individual immigration legislation etc etc.......to talk about central tax office in EU could be a very long time down the road, if ever and even if it did happen in the future....in 10-20years time, maybe thats what will work and be best for the country..no one can see the future!...we cant stand still and close our eyes to whats going on around us....The world is changing and we either work with it or sink....trying to build a wall around us is just a false sense of security imho! I'm confident that if we leave we'll be worse off for the next few years and it will have a negative effect on jobs and the ecomony....life is hard enough without trying to make it more difficult and I'd vote against anything that would hold back or risk my childrens futures.....whether we have a central tax office many years from now is a completely different argument for a completely different time when the landscape of Britain/Europe could be completely different....

Of course there is proof of federalism its the whole point of the EU and is written in stone.
Sadly I dont see central taxation being too far away and, as with all progression of the EU, we will not get a say in it, This is the last chance saloon
The world is changing but who said anything about building a wall around us??? That is not what needs to happen nor will happen. Adolf Merkel can make all the threats he likes (to be fair that hopefully will have stung some undecided into voting leave, after all its a perfect picture of a dictator/bully, come on? if you do this I will punish you!! who the hell would want to be part of that gang! besides 100% tariff on german goods will work wonders)
Your right about the children I wont vote for anything that harms their future which is why there isnt a cat in hells chance I want them at the mercy of a federal europe.
Fortunately whilst the leave camp are destined to fail here, other European countries are seeing the harm that the EU causes and their citizens are asking for a referendum.
Maybe they will have the balls to ignore the threats of the EU leaders and leave.
 
Seriously how could anyone condone this, its a independent country not part of the EU and the EU tell them they dont accept the will of their people are they having a laugh?

FACIST DICTATORS set on complete control. The inners really need to get their heads out of the bloody sand!
No the EU has the entire right to require treaty partners to keep to treaties . Switzerland can sever ties and trade deals whenever they want but will have to accept being treated as an alien nature. Why should Switzerland get all the advantages and non of the obligations. Typical of the modern world people want all the benefits and none of the responsibilities

Exactly the same will apply to the UK you accept free movement of labour etc or you don't get your trade deal and you accept the capital flight and trade hits that will bring.

Welcome to a world of competing through low cost labour and low regulation against far more productive nations.
 
Of course there is proof of federalism its the whole point of the EU and is written in stone.
Sadly I dont see central taxation being too far away and, as with all progression of the EU, we will not get a say in it, This is the last chance saloon
The world is changing but who said anything about building a wall around us??? That is not what needs to happen nor will happen. Adolf Merkel can make all the threats he likes (to be fair that hopefully will have stung some undecided into voting leave, after all its a perfect picture of a dictator/bully, come on? if you do this I will punish you!! who the hell would want to be part of that gang! besides 100% tariff on german goods will work wonders)
Your right about the children I wont vote for anything that harms their future which is why there isnt a cat in hells chance I want them at the mercy of a federal europe.
Fortunately whilst the leave camp are destined to fail here, other European countries are seeing the harm that the EU causes and their citizens are asking for a referendum.
Maybe they will have the balls to ignore the threats of the EU leaders and leave.
Central taxation is inevitable as no ones tax systems can cope with the digitised , global world and when countries like Singapore and Ireland offer <10% tax what can you do. Global accounts, global profits and global splits to countries is the only way it can go, which with a global currency and global trade rules will be inevitable.
 
Seriously how could anyone condone this, its a independent country not part of the EU and the EU tell them they dont accept the will of their people are they having a laugh?

FACIST DICTATORS set on complete control. The inners really need to get their heads out of the bloody sand!
Are you sure you wouldn't be better placed on a David Icke forum, clearly the lizard people are far me of a concern to you
 
That's what Mrs Hef said straight away!

Someone should have reminded him that he is working for Sky News not Fox News! I thought it was pathetic.
Gove hammered him on the 'can't exist because they have no website....' and 'I agree with you, the pound goes up and down as you said last night...'

That made him look a dick, plenty of people in this audience don't have their own website are you saying they do not exist?
 
I am firmly in the "stay" but was open and interested to listen to what Michael Gove had to say in his interview on Sky and was looking for "facts" why we should leave....but have now come away feeling even stronger about staying.....It's clear there is no "plan" for the economy if we leave, its clear Gove couldnt guarantee people would keep their jobs if we leave and its clear he hasnt got the support of independent economists that feel we'd be worse off if we leave and he even confessed that not all the problems in this country are connected to the EU..Which is what I believe!.....the issues are local Government and how they run the country and nothing will change until they (conservatives) do a better job.......Michael Gove and the leaders of the outs want us to have "faith" and "hope" it would work......sorry all, but we're expected to gamble the future of our children on "hope" (fingers crossed) that it works......I've never heard anything like it!!

Like one of the people that asked a question to Michael Gove yestersday......"It's like voting for a divorce and agreeing to sort the financial settlement afterwards".......just makes no sense!

At no other time in our history would we be expected to vote for a Government that couldnt give us their plan for the future of our country and I dont see why we should expect anything less now...we all have different opinions but after listening to Gove.....its actually helped me make my mind up and confirmed leaving is not the right thing to do....
 
I do not think that anyone 'firmly in the stay' camp will be at all persuaded to change their position based on Gove's performance - that should not be a surprise to anyone.

The important thing is that those who are really undecided (rather than just say they are) and who actually watched the interview and Q&A could well be more inclined to an out vote now - and that was the target outcome.


It was interesting to see the 'repair' job being done by Sky afterwards. The 'interviewer' had his arse handed to him by Gove and the audience were generally positive/supportive - certainly compared to Cameron the night before. But if you watched the clips/highlights played back by Sky you would think that he was somewhat savaged by Faisal Islam - very 'selective' editing. You even had Kay Burley taking part in the Q&A session to try and make the questions more challenging - did not happen with Cameron - and of course the people interviewed straight afterwards by Adam Boulton were heavily biased towards the Remain campaign.

All in all - unless you saw it live you would not realise just what a very good job he did for the leave campaign and his own reputation.
 
A few more brexit myths busted, this time by the London school of economics.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-public-services-research-finds-a7026796.html

EU immigration to the UK has not harmed British peoples’ access to jobs, public services or incomes, a major study has concluded.

The report, by the London School of Economics, has dispelled a number of ‘myths’ or misconceptions about the impact of immigration on the UK. It has been published as part of a series of research publications to be released between now and the EU referendum on 23 June.
 
This whole thing has just reinforced why I fucking hate politics. I have tried to look for the facts to help me make an informed decision but mostly have found nothing but scare mongering from both sides and petty arguing. This is a very important decision but as per usual it's turned into childish name calling. Might as well just flip a fucking coin when I go vote.
 
Interesting that the media have gone with the everyone will lose their jobs angle. Iirc, gove was quite clear that although you can't guarantee any jobs (same for staying in), the only definite job losses caused by brexit would be in the European Commission.
Seems to have been spun rather differently.
 
I do not think that anyone 'firmly in the stay' camp will be at all persuaded to change their position based on Gove's performance - that should not be a surprise to anyone.

The important thing is that those who are really undecided (rather than just say they are) and who actually watched the interview and Q&A could well be more inclined to an out vote now - and that was the target outcome.


It was interesting to see the 'repair' job being done by Sky afterwards. The 'interviewer' had his arse handed to him by Gove and the audience were generally positive/supportive - certainly compared to Cameron the night before. But if you watched the clips/highlights played back by Sky you would think that he was somewhat savaged by Faisal Islam - very 'selective' editing. You even had Kay Burley taking part in the Q&A session to try and make the questions more challenging - did not happen with Cameron - and of course the people interviewed straight afterwards by Adam Boulton were heavily biased towards the Remain campaign.

All in all - unless you saw it live you would not realise just what a very good job he did for the leave campaign and his own reputation.

Thanks for posting mate....I watched the complete show and even tho I'm in the "stay" camp, I do agree he did a very good job and came across very confident in the interview....the problem for me is that he didnt actually answer any of the issues/concerns about leaving and in fact he confirmed to the country that leaving is just one big "unknown"....all he showed me was that he makes an excellent public speaker....sadly, there was no meat in what he was saying and gave no peace of mind about leaving.....I think this vote will just come down to personal situation....if you work in manufacturing for example you are going to have alot bigger concerns than someone that doesnt......Whether we like it or not some people are going to be hit harder than others if we leave and thats the sad part about this......Micheal Gove is going to have a very well paid job either way.....its not him taking the risk, its the people on the street.....
 
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