Joe Hart (joined Torino on season long loan - Official)

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Vino9 said:
Well only time will tell, unless Neuer comes onto the market .
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Yeah... agreed. And Neuer isn't going anywhere.

It's Ter Stegan that's the main threat to Joe. TS wants to start. And there's little chance he'll ever start at Barca.

Meanwhile, Pep wants sweeper, and seemingly rates TS highly.

So unless Barca convince TS to stay - TS would have to believe that he has a good chance at being Bara's first choice keeper - I'm very skeptical of this - then TS will want to leave Barca. I don't think that wages will be an issue at all as City can match/exceed whatever Barca is willing to pay for TS's wages while offering him first shot at the number one keeper in an UCL side.
 
I think if Guardiola was that bothered about picking up a sweeper keeper we'd have signed Valdes on a free already.
 
aguero93:20 said:
I think if Guardiola was that bothered about picking up a sweeper keeper we'd have signed Valdes on a free already.
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You may be absolutely correct.

But one thing I've learned in life.... is that people never seem to fundamentally change - at least overnight. That leads me to believe that Hart isn't going to be in squad two years hence. I might be wrong... but I doubt it.
 
Joe is the heartbeat of the team and one of the only remaining links with the fans. The thought of him playing against us makes my stomach turn.

He absolutely deserves the chance to establish himself under Pep.
 
jaigurugoat said:
Joe is the heartbeat of the team and one of the only remaining links with the fans. The thought of him playing against us makes my stomach turn.

He absolutely deserves the chance to establish himself under Pep.
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Not for the new breed of City fan it would appear. Fifa 16 is real football to them.
 
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Everybody is assuming Pep will play the exact same system he has before (which probably wasn't exactly the same tbh). He may have assessed the Premier League and decided something different is required.

Joe Hart has proved time and again that he is one of the very best 'keepers in the world. Buffon rates him in the top 3 and I'd be inclined to agree with him. De Gea is very good, and I'd be glad to see Utd weakened by him leaving, but he is essentially a very good shot stopper, as are most Spanish 'keepers who don't deal with multiple ways of bombarding the box as in other leagues. Everybody went crazy over Courtois before he'd even played a game in England and one season of turmoil at Stamford Bridge has shown him to look less unbeatable than before. Joe has been praised over and over by the very best players in the CL who were unable to find a way past him. He is quick off his line, great in 1 on 1 situations and one of the most athletic shot stoppers you'll ever see. Even behind last season's supposedly dodgy defence he still kept 15 clean sheets. The only time he looks uncertain is claiming aerial balls when playing for England and probably because that back four is appalling defensively.
It makes me laugh (and cry) when I hear people suggesting he's not even England's best 'keeper. There are one or two others around the world I'd be OK having in his place, but none I'd actually consider swapping him for.
 
its a Barm said:
Why are we talking about Joe Hart in the transfer thread, he is going nowhere.
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Because as good a keeper Hart has been over the past year - top 10 in the world for me - he's not good on the ball.

And all of Pep's teams have featured a sweeper-keeper.

So unless Pep changes his philosophy - or unless Joe suddenly develops excellent on-the-ball skills, it's quite possible - indeed it's even likely, that Pep will seek to sign a sweeper-keeper to start next season. And if that happens, Joe should definitely leave City - he's far too good to be backup.

That said, now that ter Stegan (not that I'm a big fan of ter Stegan - he's a pretty erratic keeper for me, in spite of his excellent on-the-ball skills) seems to be off the market, I'm not sure if there's a suitable sweeper-keeper available in the current window (is Bravo available? - does Pep fancy. Schmeichal? - what about Lloris? - or maybe someone else?) Joe may be here to start the season for this reason in spite of Pep's preferences.

And who knows - best case is that Joe is here at the start of the season and develops on-the-ball skills, becoming a good-enough if not great sweeper. Indeed, Joe isn't awful on-the-ball, so this isn't beyond the pale.
 
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Most professional 'keepers are probably better on the ball than your average amateur footballer so let's hope that the back four make themselves more available, which really is the key to it, and Joe spends his spare time doing keepy uppies all summer!

I can't see that a 'keeper needs to do more than play a 10 yard pass to a defender. Perhaps the back four have just been slacking off when it went back to him as nobody was bothered if he just booted it long. He does seem to like rolling and throwing it short a lot so he's probably not against the idea at all.
 
SexAndManCity said:
Most professional 'keepers are probably better on the ball than your average amateur footballer so let's hope that the back four make themselves more available, which really is the key to it, and Joe spends his spare time doing keepy uppies all summer!

I can't see that a 'keeper needs to do more than play a 10 yard pass to a defender. Perhaps the back four have just been slacking off when it went back to him as nobody was bothered if he just booted it long. He does seem to like rolling and throwing it short a lot so he's probably not against the idea at all.
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Yep, I think too much emphasis is being put on the ideal 'sweeper keeper' role. Al the top keepers in the world have deficiencies, the nature of the job puts any deficiency absolutely under the microscope. However, I can't seriously believe that the ability to play a 10 yard ball to a team=mate (particularly one that makes himself available in a confident manner) is something that only one or two top class keepers have the ability to perform.

E.g. As good as De Gea's shop stopping has been this season, some of his distribution, especially when under pressure has been atrocious - and I mean atrocious, often skewing the ball off into row Z. It's often overlooked simply because he's bailed them out that often over the last couple of seasons.
 
The issue is none of us know the specific instructions that the Manager has given to the goalkeeper

It does seem clear that the instructionsfrom City managers has been to get Joe on goal kicks to try and land the ball on the full backs head hence so many balls going out for a throw in. I believe this is due to the fact that we have no-one up front to head the ball. When Bony was used the ball was kicked much more centrally

As for passing to defenders in free play I think this is down to the mentatlity of the manager and the players at their disposal. When Joe has Kompany in front of him he seems very able in passing the ball out but when it is Otamendi and Mangala not nearly so comfortable and that might be down to concerns the manager has about the players ability to play the ball especially if being closed down by attackers

The same could be true with England especially with Cahill and Smalling neither of whom give confidence in being comfortable as ball playing centre halves

I genuinely this will be the area that will most change with Pep. He believes in a possession based game and it will be imperative that all players including defenders are comfortable at receiving the ball in tight situations and passing it. This is down to being confident that even before the ball is received the player knows where the player he wishes to pass to will be and this comes from organisation and drills learnt on the training pitch. Therefore a player almost doesnt need to look up to find a team mate he knows that a player will be in position A to receive

This means that the goalkeeper will be encouraged to pass to any of the defenders available even if they are being pressed I am sure Joe will be encouraged at City to pass to any defender

We shall see but I think Pep is likely to give Joe this season to see if he can fit into his system of playing
 
Watching Hart's distribution tonight, and something tells me that Hart won't be the #1 Gk under Pep for that long........
Unless it really improves under Pep.
 
Just me who is surprised the goalkeeping coach is staying? He can only be the one telling Hart to punch the ball every time rather than catch it.
 
BlueCityfan said:
Watching Hart's distribution tonight, and something tells me that Hart won't be the #1 Gk under Pep for that long........
Unless it really improves under Pep.
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Fuck distribution,he's a fucking goalkeeper they stop players from the opposite side from scoring,jesus fucking wept.
 
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