EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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Helmet Cole said:
No. Try rawk.
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The point I was making is there is a lot of wealth in Istanbul. For balance, there's are also poorer parts of Turkey as we know.

Some posters on here (not necessarily you) have fallen for the 80million Turks will arrive on our doorstep. Last time I saw a pole (and it was a few years ago) about half of the Turks didn't event want to join the EU, never mind stay in their own country or even live somewhere more prosperous like Germany!
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Yet another scare tactic YAWNNNNNN!!!!

How will Britain leaving the EU affect jibs in BT?
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another scare tactic? If the guy that pays their wages thinks its a bad idea and thinks it could affect jobs.....he's every right to tell them what he feels is best for the country....Just because we dont want or like to hear it doesnt mean its not true...I'm not an economic advisor for BT but clearly they feel the experts might know more than you or I on the subject of whats best for the company..
 
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Tim of the Oak said:
The point I was making is there is a lot of wealth in Istanbul. For balance, there's are also poorer parts of Turkey as we know.

Some posters on here (not necessarily you) have fallen for the 80million Turks will arrive on our doorstep. Last time I saw a pole (and it was a few years ago) about half of the Turks didn't event want to join the EU, never mind stay in their own country or even live somewhere more prosperous like Germany!
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That must be a Pole very well versed in Turkish politics then .... it's not the one doing your plumbing now, is it?
 
Food for thought... Sorry I know this is a bit long but thought it might be of use in helping you decide .... It's a little one sided but informative!

I've nicked this from Facebook so you may have seen it and it's not been checked or verified but here's a list of pillage of our beloved industries whilst in the EU...

Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.
Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.
Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata, the same company who have trashed our steel works and emptied the workers pension funds.
Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant.
British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales.
Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan.
Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200.
M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan.
Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with with EU grants.
Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant.
Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.
Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.
Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding.
Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing.
ICI integration into Holland’s AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs
Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using an EU loan for the purchase.
JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with £20 million in EU 'regeneration' grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry.
UK airports are owned by a Spanish company.
Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company.
Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies.
The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. Now EDF say the costs will be double or more and it will be very late even if it does come online.
Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not any more, it's Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the aviation market, that could see the end of the British railways manufacturing altogether even though Bombardier had EU grants to keep Derby going which they diverted to their loss-making aviation side in Canada.
39% of British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies, many of them in the EU
The Mini cars that Cameron stood in front of as an example of British engineering, are built by BMW mostly in Holland and Austria. His campaign bus was made in Germany even though we have Plaxton, Optare, Bluebird, Dennis etc., in the UK. The bicycle for the Greens was made in the far east, not by Raleigh UK but then they are probably going to move to the Netherlands too as they have said recently

I haven't detailed our non-existent fishing industry the EU paid to destroy, nor the farmers being paid NOT to produce food they could sell for more than they get paid to do nothing, don't even go there.


Find something that's gone the other way, I've looked and I just can't.if you think the EU is a good idea, are you sure?
 
halfcenturyup said:
That must be a Pole very well versed in Turkish politics then .... it's not the one doing your plumbing now, is it?
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My plumber is English. Is yours lol?
It's much easier to get an English plumber these days.

Just done a quick Google and Turkey views EU membership as a strategic choice. They (in the recent past) have also been working on closer cooperation with Russia and China. In other words they are not really arsed about the EU but why let the truth get in the way!
 
Blue Maverick said:
I have a feeling that the other big countries want us to stay in because if we leave it could cause the collapse of the EU as other citizens demand their own referendums, where that would leave Greece etc is beyond me would they effectively have no debt as they pull out or would they be royally screwed because the EU is not propping them up if they left
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If it collapses badly the recession and credit crunch will leave Britain fucked for decades in or out
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
Food for thought... Sorry I know this is a bit long but thought it might be of use in helping you decide .... It's a little one sided but informative!

I've nicked this from Facebook so you may have seen it and it's not been checked or verified but here's a list of pillage of our beloved industries whilst in the EU...

Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.
Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.
Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata, the same company who have trashed our steel works and emptied the workers pension funds.
Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant.
British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales.
Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan.
Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200.
M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan.
Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with with EU grants.
Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant.
Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.
Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.
Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding.
Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing.
ICI integration into Holland’s AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs
Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using an EU loan for the purchase.
JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with £20 million in EU 'regeneration' grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry.
UK airports are owned by a Spanish company.
Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company.
Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies.
The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. Now EDF say the costs will be double or more and it will be very late even if it does come online.
Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not any more, it's Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the aviation market, that could see the end of the British railways manufacturing altogether even though Bombardier had EU grants to keep Derby going which they diverted to their loss-making aviation side in Canada.
39% of British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies, many of them in the EU
The Mini cars that Cameron stood in front of as an example of British engineering, are built by BMW mostly in Holland and Austria. His campaign bus was made in Germany even though we have Plaxton, Optare, Bluebird, Dennis etc., in the UK. The bicycle for the Greens was made in the far east, not by Raleigh UK but then they are probably going to move to the Netherlands too as they have said recently

I haven't detailed our non-existent fishing industry the EU paid to destroy, nor the farmers being paid NOT to produce food they could sell for more than they get paid to do nothing, don't even go there.


Find something that's gone the other way, I've looked and I just can't.if you think the EU is a good idea, are you sure?
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I think that's quite aggressive actually
 
sir baconface said:
Has he been knighted yet? Or already knighted and showing gratitude? Pfft.
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Hi mate......He's already a sir!;) I understand the "just trying to scare" card the leaves try to use every time some info hits the news they dont like.....but I hear no argument from the leaves to prove they are wrong...it almost feels like the leaves now just "deny" everything that they dont have an answer for or doesnt fit with their opinion.... dificult to have an intelligent debate under those terms....
 
sir baconface said:
No, but a few hundred thousand wouldn't be unrealistic if ever Turkey is granted accession.
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That might be realistic if it wasn't for the fact that Turkey is light years away from meeting EU entry criteria!

There is also a possibility that more Brits would want to go to Turkey - especially if the Spanish became less welcoming to our Brits abroad!
 
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TRUE BLUE NO1 said:
Hi mate......He's already a sir!;) I understand the "just trying to scare" card the leaves try to use every time some info hits the news they dont like.....but I hear no argument from the leaves to prove they are wrong...it almost feels like the leaves now just "deny" everything that they dont have an answer for or doesnt fit with their opinion.... dificult to have an intelligent debate under those terms....
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It probably depends what he actually said. If he just said it will put jobs at risk it doesn't mean anything. Jobs are at risk every time the currency moves, shares move, oil price moves, every time the Board makes a strategic decision. So that could be catrgoriaed as scare-mongering. If he quantified the risk and explained it coherently, that is a different matter, but I don't know how he could do that as no-one knows what will happen, do they?
 
George Hannah said:
I think that's quite aggressive actually
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Agreed, as I say it's from someone else and not verified by me , but if it does evidence businesses relocating out of the U.K. With the help of eu funding I think it's relevant to the economic debate.

However not everything on here or Facebook is 100 percent accurate, aggressive or passive!!!!
 
Ancient Citizen said:
If we vote out, I'm convinced the EU will rapidly unravel, the Dutch being the first to demand referenda.
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There probably will be calls for referenda. But it seems to me that the clever option would be to wait a couple of years to see how the UK gets on. And how the EU responds to Brexit. Let the UK be the guinea pig.
 
Tim of the Oak said:
My plumber is English. Is yours lol?
It's much easier to get an English plumber these days.

Just done a quick Google and Turkey views EU membership as a strategic choice. They (in the recent past) have also been working on closer cooperation with Russia and China. In other words they are not really arsed about the EU but why let the truth get in the way!
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My plumber is Thai along with everyone else who provides me a service, so I am pretty neutral in all this. I just think that immigration is a real issue for a lot of the population, rightly or wrongly, and if the "establishment" can't counter that with strong positive reasons why the UK should stay, then they will lose. All this doom and gloom stuff will backfire IMHO.
 
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