EU referendum

[SWP's back]

And during that time we've had 9/11 and the 2008 economic crash, both of which saw an astronomical amount wiped off the FTSE 100 - far more than the poxy £100 billion you're bleating on about.

In any case, the FTSE 100 is lower now than it was just over 2 years ago when I took control of my SIPP yet my investments are - on the whole - about 16% up in that time.

Exactly. An index is simply an index.

 

[EalingBlue2]

And during that time we've had 9/11 and the 2008 economic crash, both of which saw an astronomical amount wiped off the FTSE 100 - far more than the poxy £100 billion you're bleating on about.

In any case, the FTSE 100 is lower now than it was just over 2 years ago when I took control of my SIPP yet my investments are - on the whole - about 16% up in that time.

Good for you.

100 billion is not what will happen if Brexit happens it is from a couple of polls though. Heaven forbid if an opinion poll matched the collapse of the world banking system.

 

[EalingBlue2]

Not on GBP you wouldn't mate.

Like when I see an Indian client and they say they can get 12%. Well yes, on the rupee.

Of course and not at a UK bank I am sure. We've been fortunate with 26 years of growth and an economy focused on the pacific

 

[yep]

 

[geoff clipp]

The current government is too right wing for my preference. If we vote out I expect it will move further to the right. I expect brexiters to be brought into the cabinet, not on merit, but to bolster the numbers. I am reluctant to vote for that, especially at a time when we do not have an effective opposition. Is that principle, pragmatism or both?

I think it's probably more pragmatic than principled and it's definitely been a contributing factor to my own position. An outer would probably argue that that's quite a short-termist position and it would at least be "our" government and that we could democratically vote out eventually, however I don't really trust our electorate will ever hold these people to task when we have the likes of Rupert Murdoch misleading them day in day out. I also believe that the idea of "taking back control" is very abstract due to the fact we live and benefit from an ever more globalised economy. We'll never be able to disentangle ourselves from the EU any more than we can from the US economy, so we may as well have some say in the world's biggest trading block existing on our own doorstep. As a Labour voter, it has been tricky as I know a lot of the party's policies contravene those of the EU, however I can't get past the idea that no good can come of us voting to leave right now like this.

My ideal outcome would be to remain, but for UK voters to engage with it a bit more going forward and perhaps start electing MEPs who work for us rather than UKIP ones that refuse to even turn up. Might sound unlikely but that's what i'm going with.

 

[EalingBlue2]

i understand your point. the problem i have with it, is quality of life. what do you do concrete over all the country side ? then in say twenty years time have huge cities, with more traffic and more people. i love going on walks through the country side, i dont want to see it gone, which is what will happen if our population rises as much as it has.

Then make the tax and spending sacrifices needed to pay for the future, stop the ponzi scheme that is modern capitalism and make the hard decisions. Instead of thinking you can blame outsiders and magically the deficits and sins of demographics will disappear

 

[blueonblue]

Then make the tax and spending sacrifices needed to pay for the future, stop the ponzi scheme that is modern capitalism and make the hard decisions. Instead of thinking you can blame outsiders and magically the deficits and sins of demographics will disappear

OR, Stop flooding the country with migrants we dont f*cking need and pretending that over three and a half Million extra people has no effect.

 

[EalingBlue2]

OR, Stop flooding the country with migrants we dont f*cking need and pretending that over three and a half Million extra people has no effect.

Which you can do if you accept the tax and reduced consumption , exactly my point . But no one want to sacrifice, everyone wants to live in a world with no regard for tomorrow, governments figured it out years ago and used immigrants to keep the metre running. Have people got the balls to actually sacrifice and take some hardship to turn off this injection. I don't believe people will they will just look for someone or something else to blame. Who will do the lowly paid jobs etc etc

 

[blueonblue]

No, it is not "Your point", you want to increase tax to provide more whatever the f*ck is in short supply, without understanding its in short supply because the number requiring it is increasing by huge numbers of people who did not pay for or build it.

 

[halfcenturyup]

That's one are where Cameron's agreement with the EU is clear cut and we won't be joining any political or fiscal Union!

I just read that again. I thought you were being sardonic but it just occured to me you were being serious. Do you really think Cameron's agreement will have any relevance in 10, 5 even 2 or 3 years if the UK votes to stay in the EU?

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

No, it is not "Your point", you want to increase tax to provide more whatever the f*ck is in short supply, without understanding its in short supply because the number requiring it is increasing by huge numbers of people who did not pay for or build it.

Also advocating increases in tax in the uk. It's an easy thing to say if you don't live in the uk.

 

[yep]

 

[yep]

 

[blueonblue]

I will say George Osboure has played a blinder with his "Punishment budget threat", not only has he killed himself politically but took the remainians down with him ;0).

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

I will say George Osboure has played a blinder with his "Punishment budget threat", not only has he killed himself politically but took the remainians down with him ;0).

Total cringe that. Neil let him off lightly I thought.

 

[steviemc]

Could have included 88% of 600 independent economists think "stay" is better for the country as well mate, so I think this list was well balanced!;)

Seriously tho....putting joking aside, I've switched off to a lot of "leavers" comments for the very same reason, so it does work both ways...No one knows what is going to happen either way, so for outs to imply they know more than alot of the experts, seems very strange.....If we all kept to a "I disagree and provide proof/analysis of why they feel that way" we are all likely to listen to what people have to say. For any of us to discredit/belittle people's posts isnt helpful for anyone..

I'm rather confused regarding the reference to the idea that to point out an unfair presentation of overall findings is somehow 'belittling''? I absolutely disagree.

I really hope hope you're not seriously of the opinion that facts that are grossly skewed should be overlooked or hidden to preserve a person's integrity. Especially on an issue of such importance. That would worry me a great deal. Providing a disproportionate representation doesn't need disproving. it simply is what it is - disproportionate. Which is exactly the point I made.

 

[ballbag]

No idea which way I'm voting next week. The immigration slant from both sides of the coin doesn't factor in to the decision I'l make - but don't we have a hell of a lot more immigrants coming to the UK from non-EU countries than we do from member countries? If so, what the fuck on toast is the immigration argument being brought up for by either side?

 

[yep]

Trouble is they are all the same.

 

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[Credo]

I will say George Osboure has played a blinder with his "Punishment budget threat", not only has he killed himself politically but took the remainians down with him ;0).

This is well worth the watch.