EU referendum

[yep]

Apparently not only in the EU and the UK. And people wonder why we want to Brexit. (I don't know about Hilary though!)

 

[sir baconface]

Of course and not at a UK bank I am sure. We've been fortunate with 26 years of growth and an economy focused on the pacific

Surely you aren't telling us there are prosperous regions outside the EU? Are Dave and his mates aware of this revelation?

 

[blueinsa]

I will say George Osboure has played a blinder with his "Punishment budget threat", not only has he killed himself politically but took the remainians down with him ;0).

He earns how much as an MP?

Fucking embarrassment and unfortunately, a true reflection at the level of talent we have in the house of commons.

 

[blueonblue]

That hits the nail right on the head, and its long past time WE did something apart from moan before going out and voting for the same bunch of c*nts as always.

Give your vote to a candidate who is not or ever has been a professional politician or member of either of the two main culprits, if enough people do this we will change things for the better.

 

[117 M34]

That would be my guess too ... then there will be an interesting couple of years negotiating. Yes, negotiating, because that is what these people do. Over to the other thread.

What would you like them to instead of negotiate?

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

i understand your point. the problem i have with it, is quality of life. what do you do concrete over all the country side ? then in say twenty years time have huge cities, with more traffic and more people. i love going on walks through the country side, i dont want to see it gone, which is what will happen if our population rises as much as it has.

i don't think it will be quite as severe but I see your point. One reason why population is expanding is people are living longer so one thing we will almost certainly need is more health provision whether that be hospital or Nursing homes. A lot of our health professionals are from overseas and I think this is what the leave campaign are keen to bring in, a points based system. This could still attract a lot of people here just more skilled than unskilled.

This country's future is a ticking time bomb financially regardless of the vote next week. We don't save enough, we don't pay enough into pensions, we carry too much personal debt and we live in a have it all now society and in the future this is going to cause problems.

I get all the points that people are making and to the guy going on about Kent I can see it may be a bigger problem closer to the channel ports.

 

[halfcenturyup]

What would you like them to instead of negotiate?

To do instead of negotiate? Nothing. It was a reply aimed at those who think there won't be a negotiated settlement that is acceptable to both parties and that this will cause the UK and Europe to be "fucked for decades" in the case of a leave vote.

 

[sir baconface]

No idea which way I'm voting next week. The immigration slant from both sides of the coin doesn't factor in to the decision I'l make - but don't we have a hell of a lot more immigrants coming to the UK from non-EU countries than we do from member countries? If so, what the fuck on toast is the immigration argument being brought up for by either side?

What a lazy and totally futile post.

The answer to your first question is no.

Which rather takes the sting out of your second. However, if you genuinely want to know why either side raises the argument, may I suggest you spend a little time reading just a few pages of this thread? Not too many though. No need to strain yourself.

 

[BigJoe#1]

This is well worth the watch.

And they say the Brexiters have no plans.... Seems any plans the remain group are at best ill conceived and (like all this governments policies and plans) not thought through, at worst a bloody abomination.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

This is well worth the watch.

And this from the same show:

 

[ballbag]

What a lazy and totally futile post.

The answer to your first question is no.

Which rather takes the sting out of your second. However, if you genuinely want to know why either side raises the argument, may I suggest you spend a little time reading just a few pages of this thread? Not too many though. No need to strain yourself.

Why thank you, you patronising prick

 

[west didsblue]

That hits the nail right on the head, and its long past time WE did something apart from moan before going out and voting for the same bunch of c*nts as always.

Give your vote to a candidate who is not or ever has been a professional politician or member of either of the two main culprits, if enough people do this we will change things for the better.

Unless the non-politician candidate is someone like Donald Trump.

 

[Leech]

You don't read the question. You said it was the MAIN reason for outers wanting out.


main1
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adjective

1. 1.
   chief in size or importance.
   "a main road"
   synonyms: principal, chief, head, leading, foremost, most important, major, ruling, dominant, central, focal, key, prime, master, premier, primary, first, high, grand, fundamental, supreme, predominant, (most) prominent, pre-eminent, paramount, overriding, cardinal, crucial, vital, critical, capital, pivotal, salient, elemental, essential, staple, intrinsic, urgent
   "the main office"

That's what I'm challenging, not whether you've seen a few opportunists on a video claiming that's how they'd spend the money.

This entire conversation has followed on from my comment about the official "out" campaign video broadcast at 5.55pm on BBC2 yesterday where they devoted a huge part of their 5 minute broadcast to improving the quality of the NHS as if being inside the EU couldn't possibly be compatible with superior health care. You don't seem to have seen it judging by your posts, for reference the official "in" one is 5.55pm BBC2 today so you will at least see the equivalent of what I was talking about.

Goes without saying?? Only to the remain side - the point being made by leave is that these 'going without saying benefits' will be balanced by benefits of leaving and that the added benefit is that we would be able to self-determine on which priorities we direct any and all of our funding

Goes without saying to anyone with the slightest understanding of economics. Can you explain the benefits without just harping on about nonsense figures of money saved without acknowledging the actual net and money gained from boosted trading?

 

[sir baconface]

Why thank you, you patronising prick

You're welcome.

 

[Mike N]

Just when you thought it couldn't get any more boring, Bob Geldof enters the proceedings.

 

[roypaulknewmyfather]

No idea which way I'm voting next week. The immigration slant from both sides of the coin doesn't factor in to the decision I'l make - but don't we have a hell of a lot more immigrants coming to the UK from non-EU countries than we do from member countries? If so, what the fuck on toast is the immigration argument being brought up for by either side?

The latest set of figures shows just that, more from outside the EU. The BBC have a section on their web called reality check which looks at both sides claims. Helping me to make some (not a lot) sense out of the bullshit from both camps.

 

[117 M34]

To do instead of negotiate? Nothing. It was a reply aimed at those who think there won't be a negotiated settlement that is acceptable to both parties and that this will cause the UK and Europe to be "fucked for decades" in the case of a leave vote.

Yeah, there will be a negotiated agreement but I don't think that that the outers will be happy with it as it will have to have some serious compromise in terms of payment and acceptance of immigrants in return for a trade deal. So basically the two main reasons for leaving won't actually stop as a result of an out vote

 

[Juan King]

Just when you thought it couldn't get any more boring, Bob Geldof enters the proceedings.

That's settled it for me, if that **** Geldof wants us to remain, I'm voting out! Scruffy prick!

 

[waspish]

Am I right in saying that if its a exit vote it could take up to 2 years and has to go to the European courts and they have to agree with it?

 

[roypaulknewmyfather]

My prediction is this. It's a consultative referendum (no legal basis to it at all) and parliament have to ratify the outcome. It will be really close (either way) the "losers" will say it's too important to justify ratifying it so we have to do it all over again. Can't wait!