EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%

  • Total voters
    1,050
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I've said it before.German rule the eu,& there no way even if we left the eu it wouldn't affect us still trading as they have a lot to lose..

Brexit would cost German economy up to $50 billion by end-2017 - study

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A car sticker with a logo encouraging people to leave the EU is seen on a car, in Llandudno, Wales, February 27, 2016.
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If Britain were to leave the European Union, it could cost Germany up to 45 billion euros (35 billion pounds) by the end of 2017 as exports from Europe's largest economy would likely be hit, a study by DZ Bank showed on Thursday.

Britain is counting down to a referendum on its membership of the European Union on June 23, with opinion polls showing voters are roughly evenly split.

"There's a lot at stake for the German economy because Great Britain is one of its most important trading partners," DZ Bank economist Monika Boven said.

If Britons were to vote for leaving the EU, the German economy would start to feel the effects in the second half of this year, Boven said.

In that case, the German economy would grow by 1.4 percent this year instead of DZ Bank's current prediction of 1.8 percent, and 0.5 percent in 2017 versus 1.7 percent, the study showed.

The German government expects the economy to grow by 1.7 percent this year and 1.5 percent next year. It has not released separate growth estimates in case of a Brexit.

Given that Germany's annual economic output is at least 3 trillion euros, DZ Bank estimates of what post-Brexit growth rates would look like would amount to economic output being around 45 billion euros lower by the end of 2017, the study showed.

"In our crisis scenario we're even expecting a slight recession in Germany around the turn of the year," Boven said.

Last year German shipments to the United Kingdom surged by almost 13 percent to just under 90 billion euros - the largest amount it has ever exported there. Germany only sold more goods to the United States and France.

Boven said the British market had helped stabilise the German economy at a time when the global economic environment had been tough, so the exporting sector would be directly hit if Britain were to leave the EU.
 
I acknowledged I put the euro argument under the wrong heading of what should have been CBI and also provided other examples of where the IMF had got things badly wrong and not just on Greece. My views and opinions come from first hand experiences working in the financial sector and being based here in mainland Europe where yours are just collection of copy and paste spineless shite that you regurgitate from your remain pamhphlet

you work in the financial sector and get the IMF and CBI mixed up? you mop the floor in the Wythenshawe TSB?
 
When you have finished with your infantile attempts to insult people arse wipe, still waiting for your answer ;0)
 
It was more the terms & conditions that are so shocking, who in their right mind would commit their country to an unspecified debt to an organisation who can not be audited or held in any way liable, that has the power to take legal action but is not subject to the same either as an organisation or the individuals who run it.

No we are not part of this YET, but if we remain in bed with this bunch of crooks we could well get dragged in.
 
It was more the terms & conditions that are so shocking, who in their right mind would commit their country to an unspecified debt to an organisation who can not be audited or held in any way liable, that has the power to take legal action but is not subject to the same either as an organisation or the individuals who run it.

No we are not part of this YET, but if we remain in bed with this bunch of crooks we could well get dragged in.


I am afraid judging by some of the posts on this site people are simply apathetic to this nonsense. They would not care in the least.
 
It was more the terms & conditions that are so shocking, who in their right mind would commit their country to an unspecified debt to an organisation who can not be audited or held in any way liable, that has the power to take legal action but is not subject to the same either as an organisation or the individuals who run it.

No we are not part of this YET, but if we remain in bed with this bunch of crooks we could well get dragged in.

I get a feeling it was probably a rushedpiece of legislation pushed through when Greece was in the shit, I dont have time today to read through all the details but you would hope there was over site, and with it being a loan system there must be tracking with regards to paying the loan back. And you would hope that there are rules set in place to make sure its only ever used for emergency bail outs.

All in all its just another mechanism to help maintain the stability of the Eurozone. Countries in the Eurozone have a vested interest to make it as stable as possible for the long term.


Edit: With all the info being banded about im trying to fact check both sides because both seem to be spouting so much bull its unbelievable.
 
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It was more the terms & conditions that are so shocking, who in their right mind would commit their country to an unspecified debt to an organisation who can not be audited or held in any way liable, that has the power to take legal action but is not subject to the same either as an organisation or the individuals who run it.

No we are not part of this YET, but if we remain in bed with this bunch of crooks we could well get dragged in.


Exactly - as I mentioned earlier - the protections we have today are likely only the 'trade-offs' of self-serving politicians tomorrow.

How long will one of top economies in the EU be able (allowed) to not provide a level of 'support'. Notwithstanding our formal liabilities today/tomorrow, this does demonstrate the direction of travel of the European 'Federal project' - it is plain to see unless you choose not to.

At the risk of sounding a bit like a 'Trekkie' - but if we stay we will become increasingly 'assimilated'.
 
you work in the financial sector and get the IMF and CBI mixed up? you mop the floor in the Wythenshawe TSB?

That's really good I see what you did there! I see we have an intellectual and comedic heavyweight in our midst - speciality in avoiding debate and offering one line quips with a healthy dose of lazy stereotyping
 
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