EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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Tim of the Oak said:
I think there is a fair bit of people wanting to have their cake and eat it. On one hand the EU is supposedly terrified we will leave and the other it is storing up huge budget rises for us (that presumably would make any future referendum a walkover if Brexit doesn't win this time).
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I don't think we'll be allowed a future referendum either.
 
CityStu said:
I don't think we'll be allowed a future referendum either.
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I don't think we need one. Right now the overwhelming majority of MPs are in the remain camp. If the EU should deteriorate to the point that this changes and the majority want out, we can just leave - we don't NEED another referendum.

As an aside, our UK MPs are the people in this country who are responsible for running our country. They are the people with the real power and the ones who should be most upset at any loss of sovereignty, since it's THEIR power that's being lost. But actually, the vast majority of our MPs don't mind. They don't feel that the EU impinges upon their powers sufficiently to cause them to want out.

Doesn't it strike people as rather ironic that the Leaver in the street, who has FUCK ALL say in how the country is run, is so offended by his/her loss of sovereignty (not that they have any) that they do want out. Utterly bonkers. Yet another example of how and why the Leave campaign makes no sense and is simply a frenzy of ill-thought out jingoistism, carrying people with it who know no better.
 
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Tim of the Oak said:
I think there is a fair bit of people wanting to have their cake and eat it. On one hand the EU is supposedly terrified we will leave and the other it is storing up huge budget rises for us (that presumably would make any future referendum a walkover if Brexit doesn't win this time).
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You're floundering badly here Dim. The alligators can smell the blood and are sliding off the riverbank and into the water. I'd leg it to high ground if I were you. ;-)
 
Chippy_boy said:
I don't think we need one. Right now the overwhelming majority of MPs are in the remain camp. If the EU should deteriorate to the point that this changes and the majority want out, we can just leave - we don't NEED another referendum.
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We won't need one because we will be out on the 23rd...you know this...which is why you're almost forcing shit down our throats in desperation
 
IanBishopsHaircut said:
We won't need one because we will be out on the 23rd...you know this...which is why you're almost forcing shit down our throats in desperation
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I don't know it, person. And I am not forcing any shit down any throats, just giving you a plain truth you can't bear to hear.

Personally, I still think you'll lose and by more than most people expect.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I don't know it, person. And I am not forcing any shit down any throats, just giving you a plain truth you can't bear to hear.

Personally, I still think you'll lose and by more than most people expect.
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You've not given any truths at all...like all remainers you just harp on about what COULD happen if we left...the thing is Chippy we already know how crap the EU is for the UK...so we have considerably more facts than you on this matter
 
IanBishopsHaircut said:
You've not given any truths at all...like all remainers you just harp on about what COULD happen if we left...the thing is
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So predicting what COULD happen is "forcing shit down throats is it"? Sounds about right: No Leaver on here is remotely interested in any possible bad scenarios.

By the way, with 5 days to go, you need a bloody sight more than a 1% lead if you are to sweep to the victory you tell me I know is coming.

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Chippy_boy said:
Doesn't it strike people as rather ironic that the Leaver in the street, who has FUCK ALL say in how the country is run, is so offended by his/her loss of sovereignty (not that they have any) that they do want out. Utterly bonkers.
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While it fails to register with the likes of you that they DO have a say in how the country is run, they can vote out any MP they want to, they have the right to demand a trial by a jury of their peers in a capital offence, they can take civil matters to the queens bench as a right.
The Hillsborough verdict as an example would not have been possible in any other EU country because the state makes the decision and thats the end of the matter.

The "Overwhelming" majority of MPs are also a bunch of self serving c*nts are they not ?, they know full well that getting out of the EU curtails their gravy train ride if they get voted out for following the party line rather than representing the wishes of the electorate.
 
blueonblue said:
The "Overwhelming" majority of MPs are also a bunch of self serving c*nts are they not ?,
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And herein lies your problem. If you really believe that then YOU do have a problem.

The vast majority of MPs are decent, hard-working people who have gone into politics because they are passionate about our country and want to do what they can to make it even better. There's the odd bad apple obviously in any group of 650 people but if you honestly believe they are all "a bunch of self serving c*nts", you really have got issues.
 
Chippy_boy said:
And herein lies your problem. If you really believe that then YOU do have a problem.

The vast majority of MPs are decent, hard-working people who have gone into politics because they are passionate about our country and want to do what they can to make it even better. There's the odd bad apple obviously in any group of 650 people but if you honestly believe they are all "a bunch of self serving c*nts", you really have got issues.
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I think that their priority will mostly be their career advancement in order to provide for themselves. Plenty of MPs wouldn't be touched with a barge pole by private companies after they finish serving, so they have to remain on the political scene. The EU is an easy and lucrative place for them to do so. Look at Kinnock and Mandelson - voted out by the UK electorate and straight onto the EU gravy train. Even Corbyn, who I thought rather principled, has completely shifted his view on the EU now that he has made the front bench and has a profile that the EU might be keen on hiring.
 
blueonblue said:
While it fails to register with the likes of you that they DO have a say in how the country is run, they can vote out any MP they want to, they have the right to demand a trial by a jury of their peers in a capital offence, they can take civil matters to the queens bench as a right.
The Hillsborough verdict as an example would not have been possible in any other EU country because the state makes the decision and thats the end of the matter.

The "Overwhelming" majority of MPs are also a bunch of self serving c*nts are they not ?, they know full well that getting out of the EU curtails their gravy train ride if they get voted out for following the party line rather than representing the wishes of the electorate.
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Not strictly true.
 
Chippy_boy said:
The vast majority of MPs are decent, hard-working people who have gone into politics because they are passionate about our country and want to do what they can to make it even better
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No pal, thats what they are supposed to be, the true picture is most are party hacks who will follow the party line no matter what they promised the mugs who voted for them, it wasn`t a "Few bad apples" who were fiddling their expenses but a political elite who came up through a party system, hardly the decent hard working people you see.
 
CityStu said:
I think that their priority will mostly be their career advancement in order to provide for themselves. Plenty of MPs wouldn't be touched with a barge pole by private companies after they finish serving, so they have to remain on the political scene. The EU is an easy and lucrative place for them to do so. Look at Kinnock and Mandelson - voted out by the UK electorate and straight onto the EU gravy train. Even Corbyn, who I thought rather principled, has completely shifted his view on the EU now that he has made the front bench and has a profile that the EU might be keen on hiring.
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Farage, never voted into Parliament, knocked back 7 times, a typical gobshite is the exact profile of your analysis.
 
I intend to vote 'out', however like most people, I'm prepared to listen to what the other side says and take thier points on board - I don't think the 'In' campaign has done enough to promote a healthy and prosperous EU moving forward

This may well be because there is no sign of the EU being healthy and prosperous any time soon, my point is they seem to be telling the public that it isn't great now but at least you're in work and WW3 hasn't broken out

Well that's not good enough, I want some enthusiasm not 'we've always done it this was' attitude
 
Pam said:
Well it's either that or they are completely fucking stupid. Let's vote for a recession and a 40 billion blackhole in public expenditure. I thought the British people were better than this.

Can't wait for Albino Arse-hat Johnson to be PM with Deranged Fisherman Gove as his Chancellor. Turkeys voting for Xmas. Laughing stock.
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I agree even if you want to leave, basing a decision on a campaign led by Gove, Johnson, Farage and IDS is like expecting the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse to bring a better future.
 
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