EU referendum

[KenTheLandlord]

I am open to be proved wrong ken, but as far as I am aware there is no separation of law and state in any EU country.

Austria, Belgium, France, Ireland and Italy maybe a couple of others, all have a trial by jury on serious matters of which Hillsborough would certainly fall.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

I'm always watching Tim...In fact...i'm outside your window right now making sure you're not displaying any 'European' type behaviour...like eating croissants or the like

Haha! You would have been relieved to see that I had fish and chip for lunch. I passed the test by applying salt and vinegar lol!

 

[CityStu]

Farage, never voted into Parliament, knocked back 7 times, a typical gobshite is the exact profile of your analysis.

I think Farage is a ****, but I think he's more principled than a lot of them. He is campaigning for people to vote him out of a job, after all.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

You're floundering badly here Dim. The alligators can smell the blood and are sliding off the riverbank and into the water. I'd leg it to high ground if I were you. ;-)

Ive posted a letter that shows your knowledge of TTIP for the scaremongering it is:
http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/docs/2016/june/tradoc_154617.pdf

Also, do you think that TTIP is a bigger threat to our Public Services than Gove, Bojo and Farrage!

 

[Clevers]

No, we don't! Unless you've visited the parallel universe where we weren't in it for the past 40 years? I seem to rememeber things were VERY shit before we joined.

Yes perhaps the people who wish to leave could tell people in which decade over the last one hundred years the UK was a land of milk and honey.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Ive posted a letter that shows your knowledge of TTIP for the scaremongering it is:
http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/docs/2016/june/tradoc_154617.pdf

Also, do you think that TTIP is a bigger threat to our Public Services than Gove, Bojo and Farrage!

You said it had been kicked into the long grass when that's clearly not the case.

And we all believe cast-iron assurances given by politicians don't we?

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Yes perhaps the people who wish to leave could tell people in which decade over the last one hundred years the UK was a land of milk and honey.

I am stil waiting for a Brexiter to explain to me how we lost the Cod Wars to Iceland (pre EU) and to justify the role of their beloved NATO in this shambles!

 

[blueonblue]

Ah with you, no hillsbrough was never a capital case to begin with, the coroners court dealt with it and without ruling unlawful death.
It kept coming back because the state could not stop the legal challenges, in the EU the law and state are not separated ( Ireland is the exception as a common law country)

 

[halfcenturyup]

Ive posted a letter that shows your knowledge of TTIP for the scaremongering it is:
http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/docs/2016/june/tradoc_154617.pdf

Also, do you think that TTIP is a bigger threat to our Public Services than Gove, Bojo and Farrage!

Hooray. Peace in our time.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

You said it had been kicked into the long grass when that's clearly not the case.

And we all believe cast-iron assurances given by politicians don't we?

On this one I've got more confidence in Dave than Bojo, Gove and Farrage (whose no doubt looking for another Nazi mock up scene to publish).

That's partly because of Dave's family tradgedy means he has a real connection with the NHS. I know he will be gone from the top job (in a couple of years or less) but we know Gove, Bojo and Farrage want to privatise public services and Brexit will help them towards power!

 

[Mike D]

Sadly its taken an MP the ugly, racist

I think Farage is a ****, but I think he's more principled than a lot of them. He is campaigning for people to vote him out of a job, after all.

Farage is a fraud he cracks on he's a man of the people when in actual fact he's a bigot and out and out racist in the same sense of Nick Griffin and Tommy Robinson. This was proven yesterday with that poster stunt. He might as well have come in jack booted supported by his storm troopers donning a swastika flag performing a facist salute.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Hooray. Peace in our time.

Well we are not talking about a war here and yes that letter could be used in a court of law. I would rather see TTIP torn up altogether but people like PB are calling for more international trade treaties!

 

[Blue Hefner]

On this one I've got more confidence in Dave than Bojo, Gove and Farrage (whose no doubt looking for another Nazi mock up scene to publish).

That's partly because of Dave's family tradgedy means he has a real connection with the NHS. I know he will be gone from the top job (in a couple of years or less) but we know Gove, Bojo and Farrage want to privatise public services and Brexit will help them towards power!

But we can vote them out if we(as a country) think they are doing a poor job or feel future plans are not in our best interests
And Farage, will never have 'power' at a national level

 

[halfcenturyup]

Well we are not talking about a war here and yes that letter could be used in a court of law. I would rather see TTIP torn up altogether but people like PB are calling for more international trade treaties!

Genuinely interested. That letter could be used in a court of law where and to do what?

 

[Pino]

I am stil waiting for a Brexiter to explain to me how we lost the Cod Wars to Iceland (pre EU) and to justify the role of their beloved NATO in this shambles!

A weak, hamstrung and pathetic Labour Administration. A poor MP representing a fishing community (Anthony Crosland, Grimsby), and the US putting on pressure for their self interests (don't harm our relationship with Reykyavik, since we have US Military Aircraft stationed in Keflavik).

 

[Tim of the Oak]

But we can vote them out if we(as a country) think they are doing a poor job or feel future plans are not in our best interests
And Farage, will never have 'power' at a national level

I hope you are right about Farrage. Regarding Gove and Johnson, if the South East of England want them they will be in power!

Brexit and the eventual independence of Scotland will lead to the North of England having very little influence in UK politics.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

A weak, hamstrung and pathetic Labour Administration. A poor MP representing a fishing community (Anthony Crosland, Grimsby), and the US putting on pressure for their self interests (don't harm our relationship with Reykyavik, since we have US Military Aircraft stationed in Keflavik).

Very embarrassing wasn't it and a Tory poodle administration would have done the same!

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Genuinely interested. That letter could be used in a court of law where and to do what?

To clarify the EUs intentions in the event of a legal dispute eg in the ECJ

 

[Pino]

Very embarrassing wasn't it and a Tory poodle administration would have done the same!

Yes it's so tiresome being a continual stooge for the US.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

On this one I've got more confidence in Dave than Bojo, Gove and Farrage (whose no doubt looking for another Nazi mock up scene to publish).

That's partly because of Dave's family tradgedy means he has a real connection with the NHS. I know he will be gone from the top job (in a couple of years or less) but we know Gove, Bojo and Farrage want to privatise public services and Brexit will help them towards power!

I wouldn't trust Johnson any further than I can throw him but it's not an election and I'm not voting on the basis of who supports either side. I've thought very carefully about what I believe is the bigger picture and I believe we're better out than in.

The two main party leaders pushing for Remain are both well known to be eurosceptics. So you could equally ask why people are voting for two politicians who clearly don't have the courage of their convictions and are asking people to do something they don't believe in themselves.