EU referendum

[bluethrunthru]

Haha calm down. Is he fuck. He's always been a eurosceptic. The only reason he fell into line was to avoid in fighting and be allowed back into the parliamentary party when he finished as London Mayor.

The only time he's gone against his true beliefs is when he's backed being in the EU.

You're also suggesting that a person can't ever change their minds. A fuck load has happened in the EU in the last three years. To think that a view must be written in stone and never changed is beyond idiotic.

Look at Corbyn, he's never been a fan of the EU but now leads a party united in their wish to stay. Is he being opportunistic?

So a man of commitment is vying to be the next PM. Thats good to know. At least for once we will know 100% whenever he opens his mouth he is lying.

 

[SWP's back]

A vote to exit means the only jobs they will be guaranteed to be able to apply for will be here in the UK.

That's not true, they can apply for jobs wherever they may be, worldwide.

 

[halfcenturyup]

well it is correct unless we have moved continents.

I think this is one of the things about this, unlike other european islands like cyprus or malta a lot of the UK see ourselves as this seperate place next to europe that works with them rather than part of them, that is a very insulor view and might have worked when we were some major empire, but we ain't anymore. We are a set of island which benefits as part of a continent of mutual co-operation and understanding

I am guessing he wasn't talking from a geographic standpoint.

Mutual co-operation and understanding. I like the sound of that. Someone should come up with a proposal. We could call it the European Community, or more colloquially, the Common Market. That would work.

 

[SWP's back]

That's rich coming from you mate. You call yourself after Gelson Fernandes and i know you don't live on these shores. You are a direct beneficiary of what you claim to oppose!! There is no reasoning, it's nuts mate!! Why deny your children the same opportunity you had??

Ermmm (he's not in the EU matey)

 

[SWP's back]

As a scout i crossed a glacier over four days in kandersteg, met Italians portugese and polish, went on a day trip for a pizza to Torino, an ice castle at the highest train station in all Europe. Skinny dipped in the Oschinesse. None would have happened if my own country isolated itself.

Most of mates did years out in Thailand/Vietnan/Cambodia/Australia and none of those countries are in the EU.

If the UK left, why wouldn't kids still be able to travel around Europe in the way they are allowed to travel outside of Europe?

 

[bluethrunthru]

That's not true, they can apply for jobs wherever they may be, worldwide.

At the moment - isolationist policies could result in it becoming harder if not impossible to have access to jobs in the EU. Sauce for the goose and all that

 

[YPhrunts]

At the moment - isolationist policies could result in it becoming harder if not impossible to have access to jobs in the EU. Sauce for the goose and all that

Why? Thats' horseshite.

 

[halfcenturyup]

At the moment - isolationist policies could result in it becoming harder if not impossible to have access to jobs in the EU. Sauce for the goose and all that

Could .....

 

[urban genie]

I am guessing he wasn't talking from a geographic standpoint.

Mutual co-operation and understanding. I like the sound of that. Someone should come up with a proposal. We could call it the European Community, or more colloquially, the Common Market. That would work.

Well we won' t be in them, I hadn't seen it before this morning but at the last pmq's cameron was asked whether there would be a second referendum and he said if we are out we are out of the lot, EU, council of europe and the rest. We will then re neotigated everything, so more than likely we will be like the naughty child sat in the corner.

 

[SWP's back]

So a man of commitment is vying to be the next PM. Thats good to know. At least for once we will know 100% whenever he opens his mouth he is lying.

Id rather have a politician that responds to changes in events in the world and acts accordingly than a dinosaur that decides his/hers views as a 20 year old and refuses to revisit then under any circumstances.

 

[Paul_Powers_Tash]

Where do you get that from?? For a start, our kids can get jobs in over twenty countries if they choose. They can go to Asia or America too, but not as easily. We are not just British, we are European. That's simply my point and i struggle when swp, prestwich and gelson don't get it.

Tony the data comes from here http://www.statista.com/statistics/266228/youth-unemployment-rate-in-eu-countries/ its terrifying, And to say your children have the choice of over 20 countries to go to is correct but those countries in the main don't have any jobs available. The facts are that the EU isn't working and the job prospects are far worse there than they are in the UK; mainly down to the fact that our economy hasn't been destroyed by the Euro. If we vote to remain it will be full steam ahead to ever greater union which clearly includes the UK ditching sterling and joining the Euro.

 

[SWP's back]

At the moment - isolationist policies could result in it becoming harder if not impossible to have access to jobs in the EU. Sauce for the goose and all that

How so?

Which isolationist policies could do that?

 

[SWP's back]

Tony the data comes from here http://www.statista.com/statistics/266228/youth-unemployment-rate-in-eu-countries/ its terrifying, And to say your children have the choice of over 20 countries to go to is correct but those countries in the main don't have any jobs available. The facts are that the EU isn't working and the job prospects are far worse there than they are in the UK; mainly down to the fact that our economy hasn't been destroyed by the Euro. If we vote to remain it will be full steam ahead to ever greater union which clearly includes the UK ditching sterling and joining the Euro.

To be fair, Tony said last night he still thinks it's a mistake (with hindsight!) that we didn't join the euro.

 

[YPhrunts]

Well we won' t be in them, I hadn't seen it before this morning but at the last pmq's cameron was asked whether there would be a second referendum and he said if we are out we are out of the lot, EU, council of europe and the rest. We will then re neotigated everything, so more than likely we will be like the naughty child sat in the corner.

What does that even mean?
If Brexit get anywhere near the top 40 percent in the vote but lose the referendum then it's just a matter of time. It will be bye bye Tory party at the next GE. We're leaving.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Well we won' t be in them, I hadn't seen it before this morning but at the last pmq's cameron was asked whether there would be a second referendum and he said if we are out we are out of the lot, EU, council of europe and the rest. We will then re neotigated everything, so more than likely we will be like the naughty child sat in the corner.

I wasn't talking about that, but we would have to negotiate to get into the Council of Europe in the unlikely event we were thrown out. Really?

 

[smudgedj]

Well we won' t be in them, I hadn't seen it before this morning but at the last pmq's cameron was asked whether there would be a second referendum and he said if we are out we are out of the lot, EU, council of europe and the rest. We will then re neotigated everything, so more than likely we will be like the naughty child sat in the corner.

Why wont we be in them?

The EU is a rules-based organisation bound by treaty and convention to negotiate in good faith.

Article 50 commits the EU to negotiate with any departing EU Member State

http://www.lisbon-treaty.org/wcm/th.../title-6-final-provisions/137-article-50.html

Article 8 commits the EU to a “good neighbourliness” policy “founded on the values of the Union and characterised by close and peaceful relations based on cooperation”.

http://www.lisbon-treaty.org/wcm/th...ts/title-1-common-provisions/6-article-8.html

And Article 3 affirms the EU’s commitment to promoting “free fair trade”

http://www.lisbon-treaty.org/wcm/th...ts/title-1-common-provisions/4-article-3.html

 

[Daz_Blue]

Apparently polls ( yeah they are often wrong ) show that the remain team now enjoy a 2-3 point lead compared to leave being ahead last weekend ....

 

[SWP's back]

Apparently polls ( yeah they are often wrong ) show that the remain team now enjoy a 2-3 point lead compared to leave being ahead last weekend ....

I think remain will end up ten points clear at 55-45.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Tony the data comes from here http://www.statista.com/statistics/266228/youth-unemployment-rate-in-eu-countries/ its terrifying, And to say your children have the choice of over 20 countries to go to is correct but those countries in the main don't have any jobs available. The facts are that the EU isn't working and the job prospects are far worse there than they are in the UK; mainly down to the fact that our economy hasn't been destroyed by the Euro. If we vote to remain it will be full steam ahead to ever greater union which clearly includes the UK ditching sterling and joining the Euro.

Last time I checked, coming 7th in a race doesn't win you the league title.

 

[halfcenturyup]

I think remain will end up ten points clear at 55-45.

I am going with the economists' forecasts that Remain will win 60:50