Because even in a worst case scenario where the EU impose tariffs, it's still far easier to set up a business and close it down in the UK than in France, Belgium, Germany, Holland etc.
The Brexits better hope they lose.... which they will,because, it is a fucking crazy idea. If we leave, the country's entire education system needs a good seeing to.On the immigration question it was notable that whilst Leave goes big on "taking back control" they couldn't answer questions relating as to how they would limit immigration effectively from inside nor outside the EU nor did they have any view to offer on by how much taking back control would actually reduce the amount of immigration.
I know Dave has got himself in bother by stupidly putting a target figure on it ( against all advice to do so which I did post on here several weeks ago) but I'd expect them to approximate or give an idea of their expectations.
It just shows they have no actual plan and will be absolutely fucked when just saying take back control doesn't actually stop people coming here.
You've missed the point completely. Our labour laws make it much easier to get rid of workers whereas it's almost impossible in France & Germany. If they set up in France, they're stuck for good which is why the UK is a preferable option. Why do you think they chose the UK in the first place?Which is what I am saying !!! Its easier to close a car plant down here and move it to say Bavaria - even more so if Merkel smooths the path for them. If we vote Leave on Friday expect before too long that Nissan will confirm the next model Leaf will be produced at a Renault plant in France and not at Washington
Have you got anything sensible to say that advances the debate? That's a rhetorical question by the way.The Brexits better hope they lose.... which they will.
You know, I agree with you on that point about fixing the problems, but no government is strong enough. You say we have been in it for 30+ years, but it's since 2004 when the 8 eastern european countries entered the uk that the problems have arisen. How can you fix it when the definition, says free movement, which is the core mantra of the treaty and can't be altered. Of course poor eastern Euro countries are going to head for the richer countries. I'm in Switzerland for the very same reason, except that I had to prove I was capable and had no criminal record and would be an asset to the country. I am not begging on the streets of Zurich, and would soon be removed if I was. Thats not the case in the UK..too many freeloaders and undesirables are now there.
The economy will be ok in the longterm , London is the financial capital of Europe, it will drive us through the initial down currents. The rest of Europe is more worried about losing us. If we leave, a lot more will follow, then it will be back to how it was.
You've missed the point completely. Our labour laws make it much easier to get rid of workers whereas it's almost impossible in France & Germany. If they set up in France, they're stuck for good which is why the UK is a preferable option. Why do you think they chose the UK in the first place?
Watched the BBC Debate. I was originally out but now i'm undecided. One of the audience members got it spot on, neither side are stating why my vote would benefit me and my country. All i've heard is scaremongering from both sides.
Yes. I rely on experts telling me we will fuck our own economy and will be doing this for naught. Why the hell would we take that scale of risk because of an overblown obsession with immigrants (most of whom come from outside the continent anyway). We will be a laughing stock if we do this and it will break up the union (UK, I mean) because Scotlad are overwhelmingly for remaining and will fuck off in short order. Meanwhile, its not even certain whether we will leave the single market. If we don't, the open border situation will remain exactly the same.Have you got anything sensible to say that advances the debate? That's a rhetorical question by the way.
You've missed the point completely. Our labour laws make it much easier to get rid of workers whereas it's almost impossible in France & Germany. If they set up in France, they're stuck for good which is why the UK is a preferable option. Why do you think they chose the UK in the first place?
Yes. I rely on experts telling me we will fuck our own economy. And for naught. Why the hell would we take that scale of risk because of an overblown obsession with bloody immigration (most of whom come from outside the continent anyway). We will be a laughing stock if we do this and it will break up the union (UK, I mean) because Scotlad are overwhelmingly for remaining and will fuck off in short order.
Please don't vote to be a laughing stock and a poorer, less influential nation.
Just watched the 2 hour question time on BBC and I am still of this opinion.
What a sham of a campaign.
The info is out there if you care to look. Although admitted this is the weirdest campaign we've ever seen.Just watched the 2 hour question time on BBC and I am still of this opinion.
What a sham of a campaign.
BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!! FFS. This is more paranoid than Donald Trump. Again, what the actual fornications?If you care about the future of the NHS mate, vote leave.
The EU are currently negotiating the TTIP deal in secret, and have been for months. It's a guarantee if we remain, and it will lead to the complete destruction of the NHS via privatisation.
And the fact that the ever growing strain placed upon the NHS via the freedom of movement cannot be addressed while part of EU, will only further rapidly push the NHS towards privatisation.
Important read:
http://waronwant.org/what-ttip
5% was the 2014/15 figure. The latest figure is 3.8% and it has fallen steadily since 2010 and is predicted to carry on falling so the 2016/17 figure is likely to be below 3% without any additional measures.The UK budget deficit is around 5% of GDP currently. The EU's rules specify a maximum of 3%. When the EU starts to consolidate fiscal and monetary policy in the next two years we'll have no choice but to reduce to that level. That will involve far worse austerity than we've seen so far and Osborne knows that. Austerity, as we already know, acts as a drag on growth. So Osborne's rather optimistic projections based on staying in are nonsense. But by the time we realise that, it'll be too late.
The referendum is about the British people setting out their requirements. The designed plans to meet the requirements comes later I guess. It'd be nice to see option A and option B plans laid out but no one trusts the estimates so you need to concentrate on the requirement setting.
Either the public want in or out. Forget the plan.
If you care about the future of the NHS mate, vote leave.
The EU are currently negotiating the TTIP deal in secret, and have been for months. It's a guarantee if we remain, and it will lead to the complete destruction of the NHS via privatisation.
And the fact that the ever growing strain placed upon the NHS via the freedom of movement cannot be addressed while part of EU, will only further rapidly push the NHS towards privatisation.
Important read:
http://waronwant.org/what-ttip
The NHS is exempt from TTIP and this has been set out in black and white by the European Commission - as I've posted previously!
Not really its a simple in or out vote.
In means we know what we have and we try to use influence and discussion to shape the EU into an entity which better reflects our needs and aspirations which we can do because we are members.
Out means we have "taken back control" and have no plan on immigration just an aspiration to reduce net migration by curtailing migrants from the EU. It will mean there is a generally accepted hit to the economy - however long however bad BOTH sides agree there will be one so for an unspecified time GDP will be down and as individuals we are likely to be poorer. We will be simultaneously trying to negotiate exit from the EU on the most advantageous terms and negotiate trade deals with the other 167 countries in the world that are not in the EU so won't be covered in our exit deal.