Labour / Tory Party meltdown Referendum fallout

It was during the height of Thatcherism. If you couldn't get a left-wing government then, you're never going to get one.
Cameron and Osbourne are more economically right wing than thatcher ever was (& that's no badge of honour).
There are very many people that didn't vote because "they're all the same" & are fed up with the "establishment" Corbyn offers an alternative and speaks for the "ordinary man in the street"
Can he motivate these to vote?
Will the next GE be fought on economic issues?
If he can & it is, then expect a left wing majority
 
Cameron and Osbourne are more economically right wing than thatcher ever was (& that's no badge of honour).
There are very many people that didn't vote because "they're all the same" & are fed up with the "establishment" Corbyn offers an alternative and speaks for the "ordinary man in the street"
Can he motivate these to vote?
Will the next GE be fought on economic issues?
If he can & it is, then expect a left wing majority
The problem is that the "ordinary man in the street" is socially conservative. It would need a far better communicator than Corbyn (who is woefully poor) to get the message across.
 
The problem is that the "ordinary man in the street" is socially conservative. It would need a far better communicator than Corbyn (who is woefully poor) to get the message across.
Corbyn is actually quite a good communicator, but the PR department of the Labour party combined with a horrifically biased media are letting him down.
 
The problem is that the "ordinary man in the street" is socially conservative. It would need a far better communicator than Corbyn (who is woefully poor) to get the message across.

Yeah that is true to an extent, but I think the plan was always to steer the party onto a more socialist tone and he would have stepped down, leaving a more electable person to fight the GE, however the PLP instead of going with the flow and supporting him a wing of it have undermined and sniped from day one.
For all we know if they had got behind him he may have gone within a year or two, instead they now look like untrustworthy and unelectable MP's I wouldn't vite for them.

This though has been a split brewing since before Milliband and during Browns reign, people in the party have been pissed off with the progress group and it's influence withing the PLP for a long time.
 
Corbyn was elected by a huge majority of Labour supporters sick of metro-Miliband bollocks, Burnham blather and the infantile manners of Ed Balls.
The Conservative Party is no better: it remains split over the EU and riven by grudge wars.
Both Parties have been scheming to create the largest possible Establishment majority for overturning the Referendum result. Neither of them represent anything remotely resembling the mainstream of British sentiment.
 
It was during the height of Thatcherism. If you couldn't get a left-wing government then, you're never going to get one.
There's also now a significantly higher proportion of the overall population who would consider themselves to be middle-class than at the apogee of Thatcherism. Many of them might be left-leaning, but scant few will be part of the hard-left.

For me, there is an uncomfortable lacuna at the heart of consumer capitalism. As that system raises overall living standards (as it indisputably does) and makes an increasing number people's standard of living more comfortable, it makes the voices of those left behind in its wake increasingly less important. It becomes the tyranny of the many over the few - and I'm not sure what the answer is tbh. It certainly doesn't make for a society at ease with itself, but those thinking that the salaried, mortgage paying, professional middle-classes are suddenly and collectively going to embrace naked socialism, at what they would see to be at their own expense, fail to appreciate human nature and what ultimately motives people.
 
Corbyn is actually quite a good communicator, but the PR department of the Labour party combined with a horrifically biased media are letting him down.
I've heard him speak directly and I think he's generally poor. Not all the time by any means but far too often. As Labour leader, he's had some of the easiest targets a Labour leader has ever had and he's by and large failed to lay a glove on them.
 
22 policy defeats - uturns in 9 months isn't too shabby

If you look at Corbyn's performance in an objective light given where Labour was when he was elected, it's has not been bad at all, and set against the 24/7 venality of the media and the toxic PLP it's nothing shot of miraculous.

As an orator he's OK, but on the occasions I've seen him it's his message and his ability to speak truth to power that inspires the crowd.
 
If you look at Corbyn's performance in an objective light given where Labour was when he was elected, it's has not been bad at all, and set against the 24/7 venality of the media and the toxic PLP it's nothing shot of miraculous.

As an orator he's OK, but on the occasions I've seen him it's his message and his ability to speak truth to power that inspires the crowd.

I think he's quite a good speaker in an academic style.
Where he suffers is in confrontational speaking, or when trying to counter soundbites and popularism.
Unfortunately the latter dominates politics nowadays rather than facts and/or reason.
 
Leadsom has quit sighting abuse.

She was never fit to lead and would have had a Corbyn type effect on the tories.
Superb tactic from the tory party.

They have done this on the same day Eagles is expected to announce the challenge to Corbyn. The transition will be smooth and project an image of strength and unity compared to the omnishambles at Millbank.

For a lefty, I cannot knock them for taking full advantage of the situation. The tories are on a high with all their strengths shining brightly at this time.

:(
 
Job Done.

Mrs May’s coronation appears complete. So much for letting the Great Unwashed have a vote……

I wonder what the ‘selling offer’ currently is for paying to join the Conservative Party?
 
Superb tactic from the tory party.

They have done this on the same day Eagles is expected to announce the challenge to Corbyn. The transition will be smooth and project an image of strength and unity compared to the omnishambles at Millbank.

For a lefty, I cannot knock them for taking full advantage of the situation. The tories are on a high with all their strengths shining brightly at this time.

:(

I posted on here last week wondering if the tory machine would go in to action on Leadsome. She would have ripped the party in two (in the same way Trump has done with the republicans). And here we are. She pulls out and all of a sudden they appear cool calm and collected and ready to make the most of the current predicament. Meanwhile the Labour party muddle on in crisis.

In a way I’m glad we have May as opposed to almost any of the leaver candidates but we would be better off all round with effective opposition.
 
I think he's quite a good speaker in an academic style.
Where he suffers is in confrontational speaking, or when trying to counter soundbites and popularism.
Unfortunately the latter dominates politics nowadays rather than facts and/or reason.
I think that is his appeal, people are sick of shiny suited, slick bullshitters. 'Looking the part' is becoming increasingly less important
 
I posted on here last week wondering if the tory machine would go in to action on Leadsome. She would have ripped the party in two (in the same way Trump has done with the republicans). And here we are. She pulls out and all of a sudden they appear cool calm and collected and ready to make the most of the current predicament. Meanwhile the Labour party muddle on in crisis.

In a way I’m glad we have May as opposed to almost any of the leaver candidates but we would be better off all round with effective opposition.

The country needs it. Now more than ever....

Shame a few PLP's are too busy protecting their own interests rather than uniting to be an effective opposition with SNP.
 
I can’t believe May will now be PM, she was such a bad Home Office Minister. I wonder if she will have the bottle to call a general election? The tories are lucky that Labour is in a dire state with their division and coups. I personally think May is just being used to sort out Brexit, she will come out as a bad leader no matter what happens and will take a big hit. Bojo will swoop back in and will take the leadership after the Brexit fall out.
 
I can’t believe May will now be PM, she was such a bad Home Office Minister. I wonder if she will have the bottle to call a general election? The tories are lucky that Labour is in a dire state with their division and coups. I personally think May is just being used to sort out Brexit, she will come out as a bad leader no matter what happens and will take a big hit. Bojo will swoop back in and will take the leadership after the Brexit fall out.
Bojo has just backed her "to the Hilt", you maybe onto something there...
 

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