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ono said:
To be fair, he's willing to travel because he will be getting paid an awful lot of money to bully a fighter who is nowhere near big enough to trouble him. What's more, he will be gaining UK exposure at a time where his future opposition could be Eubank Jr, Billy Joe Saunders and maybe even James De Gale. I honestly can't understand anyone giving him credit for this fight. I understand he doesn't exactly have a big line of opponents waiting to fight him, but this is a piss take from a sporting point of view.

If Carson Jones can come close to stopping Kel, I dread to think what Golovkin will do.

I actually thinks it's sad that Kel's career has come to. He's wasted his prime fighting god awful mandatories because he is unwilling to part with his belt, and now he's signed to take part in a fight where the best thing he can hope for is 'credible loser' and in actual fact, will possibly take the kind of beating that changes him as a fighter.

Just think Eddie has thrown him under a bus with this one. No lose for him though because he makes money from Brook - Khan, Brook - Eubank, or even from a unification against whoever the weakest other belt holder might be. Shame he's suddenly no longer interested in his mandatory now it's Errol Spence.
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Brook isn't a big enough draw in America and is seen as a risk for the likes of Garcia & Broner - who were also offered £3m & £2m respectively to come to the UK but turned the fights down.

As for Errol Spence, I think he has one fight first before he becomes mandatory.
 
I don't agree with the people saying Eubank Jr didn't want the fight, he clearly did or he wouldn't have made the strong comments if he knew the plan was to stall the negotiations, now it just looks bad and it would have been obvious it would do. Personally I think it's more likely they weren't as supremely confident as they made out so wanted to make sure if he lost he'd come out of it with some credibility and a hefty pay check. Still I expect fight fans will go with their own narratives as they always do towards their favored fighter. I'm not sure what to make of Eubank Jr or how good he can be, he does come across as an arrogant arse sometimes but don't they all? At least he doesn't act like he's a people champ when he's not, like BJS tends to do when he speaks.

As for the fight I don't give Brook much of a chance being able to withstand that power for long. So the wait to find someone able to test GGG will go on because it will start with someone being able to take his shots/defend against them, then being able to hurt him back so it becomes more a test of boxing skill(defense and attack) and ring craft(which is why he simply cannot be crown #1 P4P it's most certainly Ward so far for me) his strength and punch power is not in question it's of the highest seen at his weight, he's put down some very tough fighters but he's faced no elite fighters yet through no fault of his own to be fair. I hope he is in tougher fights soon because what I see happening with his age is the longer the wait is, if he does come up against someone who really does test him and possibly beats him then the excuse will be "oh he's old now though, he would have beat him a few years ago" rather than giving credit to the person who does get the better of him. I do like a good knockout artist anyway so he gets his props from me and I'll be watching but this p4p talk is a bit premature imo lets wait till he has the kind of fights that would prove it first is all I'm saying. These same fans are sometimes the same ones saying Joshua is all hype is what confuses me... "he's just knocking out nobodies, he'll get found out by elite fighters that can take his power" at least have consistency and also in truth we wont know how they will do until they have those fights.
 
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Any man can be knocked out... and Brook definitely has the ability. However, the Hamed/Barrera fight should be a lesson to have a go and have no regrets.
 
Manchester1894 said:
Any man can be knocked out... and Brook definitely has the ability. However, the Hamed/Barrera fight should be a lesson to have a go and have no regrets.
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You think nas didn't have a go or was put off after the first bell??? It was the latter

And unfortunately not 'Everyman' can be knocked out.. The transferral of brooks power will be pointless up at that weight. What we don't know, and what I'd assume you were alluding to, is if GGG has a chin...
ono said:
To be fair, he's willing to travel because he will be getting paid an awful lot of money to bully a fighter who is nowhere near big enough to trouble him. What's more, he will be gaining UK exposure at a time where his future opposition could be Eubank Jr, Billy Joe Saunders and maybe even James De Gale. I honestly can't understand anyone giving him credit for this fight. I understand he doesn't exactly have a big line of opponents waiting to fight him, but this is a piss take from a sporting point of view.

If Carson Jones can come close to stopping Kel, I dread to think what Golovkin will do.

I actually thinks it's sad that Kel's career has come to. He's wasted his prime fighting god awful mandatories because he is unwilling to part with his belt, and now he's signed to take part in a fight where the best thing he can hope for is 'credible loser' and in actual fact, will possibly take the kind of beating that changes him as a fighter.

Just think Eddie has thrown him under a bus with this one. No lose for him though because he makes money from Brook - Khan, Brook - Eubank, or even from a unification against whoever the weakest other belt holder might be. Shame he's suddenly no longer interested in his mandatory now it's Errol Spence.
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When has the uk exposure mattered to a bonifide champ? It hasn't.... He could earn the same, if not more money doing what Canelo is doing in his comfort zone. And how you can't respect brook or Hearn for making this, is beyond belief... Damned if he does damned if he doesn't... However, it's a massive spectacle to again reinforce that Britain is currently the epicentre of the fight game... Brook will be beaten and beaten well, but don't disregard this as a novelty, no fighter, not one, would put their 35-0 record on the line if he thought he didn't stand a chance... Deluded? maybe, big bollocks? Absolutely!!
 
Kell Brook is a very brave man for taking this fight but he is going to get banged. Natural middleweights get decimated by this guy.
No shame in losing and he is obviously braver than Eubank
You never know a punchers chance maybe
 
TCIB said:
I assume Golovkin is the shit then?
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We all think so. However it is the biggest ask of recent times. Kell's an unknown against the very best through no real fault of his own. I think it's too interesting a fight for people to right off. Golovkin's jab in his last fight was amazing. KO power we know about. I've never seen his head boxed off though. Kell does have that ability and is more agile than any of GGG's previous opponents. If Kell wins it has to be via KO. Is he willing to go and risk that, who knows.
 
Zin 'messiah' Zimmer said:
You think nas didn't have a go or was put off after the first bell??? It was the latter

And unfortunately not 'Everyman' can be knocked out.. The transferral of brooks power will be pointless up at that weight. What we don't know, and what I'd assume you were alluding to, is if GGG has a chin...


When has the uk exposure mattered to a bonifide champ? It hasn't.... He could earn the same, if not more money doing what Canelo is doing in his comfort zone. And how you can't respect brook or Hearn for making this, is beyond belief... Damned if he does damned if he doesn't... However, it's a massive spectacle to again reinforce that Britain is currently the epicentre of the fight game... Brook will be beaten and beaten well, but don't disregard this as a novelty, no fighter, not one, would put their 35-0 record on the line if he thought he didn't stand a chance... Deluded? maybe, big bollocks? Absolutely!!
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Zin 'messiah' Zimmer said:
You think nas didn't have a go or was put off after the first bell??? It was the latter

And unfortunately not 'Everyman' can be knocked out.. The transferral of brooks power will be pointless up at that weight. What we don't know, and what I'd assume you were alluding to, is if GGG has a chin...


When has the uk exposure mattered to a bonifide champ? It hasn't.... He could earn the same, if not more money doing what Canelo is doing in his comfort zone. And how you can't respect brook or Hearn for making this, is beyond belief... Damned if he does damned if he doesn't... However, it's a massive spectacle to again reinforce that Britain is currently the epicentre of the fight game... Brook will be beaten and beaten well, but don't disregard this as a novelty, no fighter, not one, would put their 35-0 record on the line if he thought he didn't stand a chance... Deluded? maybe, big bollocks? Absolutely!!
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It matters to Golovkin because he can make more money fighting the likes of Liam Smith, Billy Jo Saunders, Eubank jr or Kel brook in the UK than he can fighting the likes of Wade and Lemiuex in the US. As big as a star as we think he is, Canelo - Khan quadrupled the ppv buys of Golovkin - Lemiuex last year, which was a unification fight (iirc) and on paper a much more exciting fight. Golovkin's purse worked out at just over £1m plus just under that amount from the ppv sales. Meanwhile, Eddie Hearn was offering Khan at least 3-4 times that amount to get in with Brook. I wonder what Golovkin will be getting.

I do respect Brook for getting in with Golovkin, but a loss go Golovkin doesn't hurt his career in the same way a loss to Spence does. I'd personally be much more interested in that fight...just like I would have been much more interested in watching Khan vs Brook as opposed to Khan vs Canelo.

I'll be tuning in but it will be with the same morbid curiosity as I did for the Khan - Canelo fight.

It's such a shame when you think about the really obvious fights that are being ignored at the expense of fights where the odds are so heavily stacked in one fighter's favour.
 
To be honest some boxers cant win with fans. Some will get slated for taking the easy options. While some will be questioned on why they are taking the riskier fights. I seen Frampton on some of the boxing sites is getting slated for moving up weight to fight Leo Santa Cruz and not taking on Rigo. Its crazy while Frampton is struggling with weight down there. As for Kell and Khan fair fucks to them. I think Kell is being avoided by some champions as Ono says a defeat wont harm Brook in the long term. He is putting himself out there. I do see him fighting a Khan and Spence Jnr and the other champions.

As for the fights that should be made it is down to the fighters some want to fight the best from Britian. Some dont. Look at the Manchester scene Crolla v Flanagan should be made but Crolla and his team are avoiding it. How long did it take for Frampton v Quigg. Look at it again Quigg could well fight Kid Gallahad also i find that a hard fight to make or a Jazza Dickens wont be made against any Matchroom fighter. Looking at some fighters they want the big fights they say but they dont when offered it too.

I look at CEJ should of signed the fight for GGG. Also Josh Warrington should of signed up to fight Lee Selby but avoided it for a fight against Paul Hyland which is just crazy. I think Hyland beats Warrington and takes his place in the fight against Selby.
 
Does anyone know who will be covering the Santa Cruz v Frampton fight for UK tv?

I haven't seen Boxnation or Sky advertising it yet
 
Free Ian Brown said:
Does anyone know who will be covering the Santa Cruz v Frampton fight for UK tv?

I haven't seen Boxnation or Sky advertising it yet
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None yet which seems strange. I think Sky might show it. With Lee Selby the chances is the winner fights Selby for a unification fight. Also on the same night they show Josh Warringtons fight too. I guess if Sky dont get it Boxnation or Channel 5 would be my guess. Cyclone have a deal with Channel 5 but the Frampton fights are not included in it.
 
leighton said:
None yet which seems strange. I think Sky might show it. With Lee Selby the chances is the winner fights Selby for a unification fight. Also on the same night they show Josh Warringtons fight too. I guess if Sky dont get it Boxnation or Channel 5 would be my guess. Cyclone have a deal with Channel 5 but the Frampton fights are not included in it.
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Maybe Dave will get it, but I can't see too many tuning it for a 4 am featherweight scrap.
 
Wilder defends against Arreola tmw night.

Should be a formality for Wilder. But at 14/1, I could make a case for sticking a quid on Arreola. He's in last chance saloon, and Wilder has had a disrupted camp after the Povetkin farce (who I think would have schooled Wilder fwiw).
 
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