Leroy Sané

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

As far as im aware the rules on player quotas are different in italy think they limit the amount of non eu players you can sign a year meanwhile in england its you have have to hqve 8 players trained in england in your 25 man squad, the problem with buying before you sell is the fact that teams then now you a desperate to sell which will lower the fees they are willing to offer

That is not correct. The CL rules are the same across europe. You can have 17 players from anywhere, a further 4 trained at an english club and a further 4 who are over 21 and club trained. There is NO quota there is maximum numbers based on where players trained.

Don't forget you can have as many players as you like, in theory we could have say 50 players in our squad. 25 registered to play the prem and 25 for CL. All I believe are eligible to play in the two cup competitions. The major fault with this would be keeping players happy which is why most clubs try to aim for having identical players for the two major competitions. But if the likes of Kolorov cannot be found a club they could just be omitted from the squad lists if push comes to shove.

That is not correct either, premier leage rules are very similar to CL rules. If you are registered in the PL you can play league cup, i'm not sure about FA cup but it might be the same i.e. based on PL squads. So you could have two squads for different things but they would not all be able to play domestic cups and it would be a complete shambles!

There is no way round the rules - Zuculini was the 18th foreigner last year and look what happened to him!

 

[aguero93:20]

Don't know if it's been put up already but Marca are claiming that we've got a pre-agreement with him that we'll buy him next Summer at the lower buy out clause if we can't do a deal now.
Perhaps a prod to Schalke to accept the higher fee now?

That would be ideal really, he could use another year at Schalke imo and we have plenty of attacking mids this season already (Silva, Nasri, Raheem, Navas, Nacho, KDB and Garcia) without enough up front. He might be a striker in time fair enough but it's not going to be the season coming in the Premier League.

 

[Neville Kneville]

The difference is Bayern have done it when they were already winning and just came off a treble.

We're trying to rebuild the squad NOW, not waste possibly 1/3 of Pep's tenure here waiting for players to arrive.

As I've just said in another thread, the evidence suggests that's not the case.

Some fans are panicking about everything has to happen today. I don't think Pep is doing that, he's just building a team & in a year or so it will be something close to what he has in mind.

In the meantime, it's still likely to be pretty fucking good. Just not 'as' good as it will be.

 

[TRUE BLUE NO1]

As I've just said in another thread, the evidence suggests that's not the case.

Some fans are panicking about everything has to happen today. I don't think Pep is doing that, he's just building a team & in a year or so it will be something close to what he has in mind.

In the meantime, it's still likely to be pretty fucking good. Just not 'as' good as it will be.

I agree mate. Cant do everything in one summer and with so many players in the final year of their contract and looking unlikely we going to be able to move them all on, I think it could be next summer before this is truly "pep's team". As you say, we can expect improvements but my guess would be that next season is when we will start to see this teams full potential under Pep.

 

[Jazzman]

Kicker.de is running a headline right now which says that the Sane decision will be made this week. I am not sure if this is old news on here. It was news to me. It will be good to finally get clarification.

 

[aguero93:20]

Kicker.de is running a headline right now which says that the Sane decision will be made this week. I am not sure if this is old news on here. It was news to me. It will be good to finally get clarification.

It was going to be made this week 3 weeks ago, the week after that and last week as well. Good to see a bit of consistency in the reporting :)

 

[Akiva]

Just read the article, Schalke are standing by their fee of €50million, for which they have identified several transfer targets to spend it on. Sane has already agreed to the move and City will decide this week whether they want to pay Schalke's asking price or get him for less off his release clause next year.

It was going to be made this week 3 weeks ago, the week after that and last week as well. Good to see a bit of consistency in the reporting :)

To be fair, kicker.de never reported that it was going to be made "this week" before. Nor did any mainstream German media, for that matter.

 

[aguero93:20]

To be fair, kicker.de never reported that it was going to be made "this week" before. Nor did any mainstream German media, for that matter.

Just recycling the English Press stories from 3 weeks ago (and two weeks ago and last week) then, the robbing German bastards.

 

[dachoosen1]

That is not correct. The CL rules are the same across europe. You can have 17 players from anywhere, a further 4 trained at an english club and a further 4 who are over 21 and club trained. There is NO quota there is maximum numbers based on where players trained.

I was talking about league rules not cl rules

 

[TRUE BLUE NO1]

Just read the article, Schalke are standing by their fee of €50million, for which they have identified several transfer targets to spend it on. Sane has already agreed to the move and City will decide this week whether they want to pay Schalke's asking price or get him for less off his release clause next year.



To be fair, kicker.de never reported that it was going to be made "this week" before. Nor did any mainstream German media, for that matter.

Cheers!;) So its £42mil to sign him now or try again next summer at his £28mil release clause (but risk Bayern/Real trying to jump back in the race)

 

[MillionDollarDream]

Genuine question, with things looking like they might be stalling in Sane transfer talks, could signing Gabriel Jesus reduce the need for us to meet Sane's valuation? 32mil euros for Jesus, isnt cheap for a 19 year old from Palmeiras, so I'm guessing we might have big plans for him, especially if he could still join us in Jan. Both seem similar type of players so if Jesus deal is done, maybe we no longer feel under pressure to meet Schalke's asking price?

Gabe Jesus plays on the left or striker , we could however put Moreno on the right in 17/18 and not worry about Sané's clause.

Realistically, Schalke are acting a bit like Everton hoping to stand by a crazy valuation, calls to challenge for CL... Except we know how Everton's story is going falling further and further back. Outside of Bayern/BVB there's no real favorite for CL spots in Bundesliga. So far Schalke's transfer business doesn't inspire any confidence that just because they finished 5th they are going to sneak back in CL.

 

[TRUE BLUE NO1]

Gabe Jesus plays on the left or striker , we could however put Moreno on the right in 17/18 and not worry about Sané's clause.

Realistically, Schalke are acting a bit like Everton hoping to stand by a crazy valuation, calls to challenge for CL... Except we know how Everton's story is going falling further and further back. Outside of Bayern/BVB there's no real favorite for CL spots in Bundesliga. So far Schalke's transfer business doesn't inspire any confidence that just because they finished 5th they are going to sneak back in CL.

thanks mate!

 

[SWP's back]

If Shalke rate him at 50m euros a week. Why don't they pay him the going rate for a player in that bracket?

 

[JimmyNJ]

Very odd that they are possibly willing to hold out a year to take less money for him. We should just pay the 50 if we think he is that good and want him that badly.

But why does it feel like all of the Bundesliga teams, maybe with the exception of BVB, seem to be OK with the fact that they are a feeder team for Bayern and almost willing to help them (lower fee next year for Bayern to possibly sweep in). Its almost as if they all know they have no chance of beating Bayern for the title and are OK with just support Bayern in winning Europe.

 

[malg]

Very odd that they are possibly willing to hold out a year to take less money for him. We should just pay the 50 if we think he is that good and want him that badly.

But why does it feel like all of the Bundesliga teams, maybe with the exception of BVB, seem to be OK with the fact that they are a feeder team for Bayern and almost willing to help them (lower fee next year for Bayern to possibly sweep in). Its almost as if they all know they have no chance of beating Bayern for the title and are OK with just support Bayern in winning Europe.

Don't think there are any exceptions. Dortmund have been pillaged by Bayern, and there appears to be fuck all they can do about it, other than hope it doesn't work out and they get the player back on a reduced fee.

 

[aguero93:20]

But why does it feel like all of the Bundesliga teams, maybe with the exception of BVB, seem to be OK with the fact that they are a feeder team for Bayern and almost willing to help them (lower fee next year for Bayern to possibly sweep in). Its almost as if they all know they have no chance of beating Bayern for the title and are OK with just support Bayern in winning Europe.

This is why anyone watching the Premier League should be grateful to ourselves and Chelsea for stopping the rags creating a similar scenario when Wenger retired from title challenges. The reality is Bayern have won 14 of the last 20 titles and the longer that continues the more beaten other teams will feel. There was a stage with Premier League clubs where they'd nearly offer to give a player a lift to the swamp if the rags enquired about them and it's like that now with the Spanish teams - Barca/Real and the Portuguese teams with Porto/Benfica (not helped by mandatory buyout clauses).
I think after a while it creates a mental conditioning among the fans of other clubs that when Bayern are interested in a player they immediately give the player up as lost and that makes it a far more comfortable experience for the club executives to sell to Bayern than to a 'newbie' team from abroad like City, although it doesn't take much skill in logic to figure out that if Schalke are going to sell one of their best players/prospects, it's better both for the club that they sell them abroad to a team that they're less likely to find themselves in direct competition with and also better for the league that they can sell them for top dollar to a Premier League club increasing the cash pool in a league which is hardly wealthy - as for the retaining talent argument, Bayern aren't going to have a roster with significantly less talent on it if Sané signs for us over them, they'll just sign elsewhere so that shouldn't be a concern of Schalke's. Same goes for the paranoia about the Premier League's financial power - it's better for Schalke to have our money in their pocket than another club's and the only way for continental clubs outside the 'big 3' to compete with the financial power of the PL clubs is to maximise their dealings with us at every opportunity to grow their own wealth. It's a basic economic rule that to grow a smaller company organically you need to take advantage of the most wealthy companies that you can deal with and do it on your own terms whenever possible.

 

[ono]

I knew it was a mistake to go into a discussion with a rhetorical master like yourself. I have not forgotten your tireless efforts together with the rest of the "Pell not Pep" gang to hunt down any ever so minor voice critical to "Pell", and then silence them by talking until their ears fell off. I take it you have not come to terms with Pep being our manager since you are so busy arguing that the players he tries to buy are not worth it. Carl Jenkinson? Ha, ha, how stupid do you think I am?

I think you have confused me with someone else. I'm as big a fan of Pep as you will find on here and have firmly been in the Pell out camp for the last 18 months.

 

[Jazzman]

I think you have confused me with someone else. I'm as big a fan of Pep as you will find on here and have firmly been in the Pell out camp for the last 18 months.

I take your word for it, and would like to apologise if I made a mistake.

 

[Dax777]

This is why anyone watching the Premier League should be grateful to ourselves and Chelsea for stopping the rags creating a similar scenario when Wenger retired from title challenges. The reality is Bayern have won 14 of the last 20 titles and the longer that continues the more beaten other teams will feel. There was a stage with Premier League clubs where they'd nearly offer to give a player a lift to the swamp if the rags enquired about them and it's like that now with the Spanish teams - Barca/Real and the Portuguese teams with Porto/Benfica (not helped by mandatory buyout clauses).
I think after a while it creates a mental conditioning among the fans of other clubs that when Bayern are interested in a player they immediately give the player up as lost and that makes it a far more comfortable experience for the club executives to sell to Bayern than to a 'newbie' team from abroad like City, although it doesn't take much skill in logic to figure out that if Schalke are going to sell one of their best players/prospects, it's better both for the club that they sell them abroad to a team that they're less likely to find themselves in direct competition with and also better for the league that they can sell them for top dollar to a Premier League club increasing the cash pool in a league which is hardly wealthy - as for the retaining talent argument, Bayern aren't going to have a roster with significantly less talent on it if Sané signs for us over them, they'll just sign elsewhere so that shouldn't be a concern of Schalke's. Same goes for the paranoia about the Premier League's financial power - it's better for Schalke to have our money in their pocket than another club's and the only way for continental clubs outside the 'big 3' to compete with the financial power of the PL clubs is to maximise their dealings with us at every opportunity to grow their own wealth. It's a basic economic rule that to grow a smaller company organically you need to take advantage of the most wealthy companies that you can deal with and do it on your own terms whenever possible.

In short, it makes sense that Shalke is gouging or attempting to gouge us.

 

[aguero93:20]

In short, it makes sense that Shalke is gouging or attempting to gouge us.

That makes sense, the preferential treatment Munich seem to get over foreign buyers is completely idiotic.