Joe Hart (joined Torino on season long loan - Official)

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davymcfc said:
I can't understand all this about joe. Really happy pep is here but you would think that he would understand that joe is one of the best goalkeepers in the world, knows the club inside out and is a born leader. I think it's really sad what seems to be happening.
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It's quite simple. Joe needs to adapt to the way Pep wants to play football. If he doesn't show willing, he's gone.
 
We must have the most Pep experts in the world on this forum,
Pep does this ........
Pep expects ........
Pep will ..... etc
Let's wait and see and just sit back and enjoy the ride.
 
I don't believe you can teach a player who isn't skilled in passing to somehow become an elite passer, certainly not in any short term. I suppose Guardiola had to have some time to see up close & personal whether Joe could adapt to his vision of football and probably confirmed what many have seen even from television - the gap is too much for him to make up
 
Nails said:
It's quite simple. Joe needs to adapt to the way Pep wants to play football. If he doesn't show willing, he's gone.
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Correct and that's the way it should be. Personally I hope we bring in a 'Guardiola type' keeper and let him and Hart battle it out for the starting spot. Can't see it happening though and suspect if we buy a new keeper, then it will be Hart that is on his way out of the club.
 
I think Hart will start today and we'll see him passing about at the back a little bit, but also hoofing it often when he's not sure. Hoofing it more than pep would like, a lot more. But each game he plays, he'll hoof it less and less as everyone's confidence in each other and peps gameplan increases. The improvements will be fast too.
Harts been trained majority of his life, if in doubt put it out, last few years a bit to play, next few years a hell of a lot to play.
 
itsnevereasy said:
I agree that Hart should be given a chance, for us he has been the keeper who has been in place during all our recent success. But does Pep have to show the fans that he is making the correct decision by playing Joe if he can't / won't follow instructions?

I would guess Pep doesn't feel that he has to justify any decision that he makes and will be ruthless.
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Pep doesn't have to justify anything, he can and will do what he wants, I am sure. If Joe has definitely refused to co-operate then I think almost all supporters would be totally on side with a decision to get rid but I would hope for an explanation that their working relationship has broken down in those circumstances.
 
bondsman said:
Hope he plays today and proves a few people wrong. Caballero just is not as good a keeper.
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I think your totally missing the point of the discussion. You seem to be comparing them in a traditional goalkeeping role, and in that context, everyone would agree Joe is better. We have moved on, fans have to do the same
 
Lancet Fluke said:
I will be disappointed if Pep doesn't give Joe a crack at keeping hold of his place in the team but I'm not expecting him to. Something looked wrong with what happened in the second half of that match. It was so odd to see Joe make virtually no effort to pass it out and his body language didn't look right. I assumed he had already been told that he's either not in Pep's plans or that he is in a real fight to save his City career and he hadn't responded well to what he was told. I'm old fashioned, it baffles me that any manager would be more bothered about a keeper's distribution than his ability to stop the ball going into the net but clearly it's Pep's way and he will be trusted by the club to do whatever he wants. It'll help if he's winning matches because if we are losing and he has replaced Joe with someone who is perceived to be costing us matches, I think he will find patience, in the stands at least, will wear pretty thin pretty quickly and that will be no good for anyone. Personally I think he would be better bringing in a better option than Willy this window if possible, giving Joe a chance and then if it doesn't work out at least supporters will have seen that he gave him a chance and that there is a need to replace him and he will have someone ready to come in.
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Who would you suggest is brought in that will be happy to get splinters who is better than Willy?
 
mosssideblue said:
I think your totally missing the point of the discussion. You seem to be comparing them in a traditional goalkeeping role, and in that context, everyone would agree Joe is better. We have moved on, fans have to do the same
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From what I've read over the two goalkeeping threads that seems to be the case with the majority of people up in arms at the thought of Hart being dropped. Of course Hart is the better keeper. The question is he the better fit? On preseason evidence you'd have to say no. The problem we have is Cabbalero isn't the answer either. If we are going down Peps usual route there can be no argument that we need another keeper before the window closes.
 
mosssideblue said:
Who would you suggest is brought in that will be happy to get splinters who is better than Willy?
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Well I have no idea but that's irrelevant really, I am not a scout who has the time and access to watch goal keepers from all over Europe or the world. Plus I don't know exactly what pep is looking for in a keeper anyway and I don't claim to be good enough at spotting players anyway. But I do know enough to see that Willy is not the answer to any of this. Barely any better with his feet than Joe and much worse at keeping goal. Bottom line, if Pep is fairly unconvinced by Joe (and it seems obvious rightly or wrongly that he isn't at all convinced) then he needs to get someone better in than Willy as an alternative. He wouldn't be "getting splinters" for long anyway would he, after all Joe can't kick can he?
 
Pablo1 said:
From what I've read over the two goalkeeping threads that seems to be the case with the majority of people up in arms at the thought of Hart being dropped. Of course Hart is the better keeper. The question is he the better fit? On preseason evidence you'd have to say no. The problem we have is Cabbalero isn't the answer either. If we are going down Peps usual route there can be no argument that we need another keeper before the window closes.
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Pep isn't stupid and if he has two keepers who are struggling with his style, he would (you would think, select the better keeper). Therefore, if he picks Willy today, that tells me that there is something more than footballing ability regarding Joe as to why he might be on his way.
 
Much as I love Joe for all he has done for us and think he is a consistently top notch and reliable keeper, the writing is on the wall.

If you have been at the games then you must have seen with your own eyes what the problem is (you don't get the same view from the telly!)

He is painfully slow in deciding what to do with the ball when it is played back to him, or when he has to take a goal kick.

So many times last season I watched the centre-backs split ready for a short goal kick only for Joe to deliberate over what to do and get in position to take a run up by which time the centre-backs had been closed down. So then we wait for them and the rest of the team to get down the pitch for the long hoof, from which we almost invariably lost the header from (unless Bony was playing). We would moan and boo and whistle at the oppo goalies wasting time and but Joe would take just as long with all these 'false starts'. He could have just booted it down the pitch immediately if that had been the plan rather than going through the charade every time, because that was what ended up happening. However, the plan was obviously not to do that and to pass it out short and play from the back except that Joe couldn't get his act together over the whole of last season to execute this basic goalkeeping set-piece.

Exactly the same when he had the ball in his hands after an opposition attack and Yaya dropped back between the centre-backs to receive it, but Joe was busy hugging the ball rather than being ready to release it at the point he was free.

We wanted Pep, we got Pep and now we have to support his decisions and the consequences of playing the way he wants to.
I did wonder how long it would be before we had the first experts on here doubting Pep's choices and thinking that they know better than the man who has won dozens of trophies.

If you want Joe to play then we need to keep and play Bony as you need him to win the ball from Joe's long kicks...so if you keep Bony then you need to drop/sell Aguero as he and Bony can't play together.
 
Lancet Fluke said:
Well I have no idea but that's irrelevant really, I am not a scout who has the time and access to watch goal keepers from all over Europe or the world. Plus I don't know exactly what pep is looking for in a keeper anyway and I don't claim to be good enough at spotting players anyway. But I do know enough to see that Willy is not the answer to any of this. Barely any better with his feet than Joe and much worse at keeping goal. Bottom line, if Pep is fairly unconvinced by Joe (and it seems obvious rightly or wrongly that he isn't at all convinced) then he needs to get someone better in than Willy as an alternative. He wouldn't be "getting splinters" for long anyway would he, after all Joe can't kick can he?
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No one would argue that Willy is the answer, but what he must have shown (and we dont know he is starting btw) is that he is adapting better than Joe at implementing Pep's style
 
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