Joe Hart (joined Torino on season long loan - Official)

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Zin 'messiah' Zimmer said:
Pep will of known the 'variables' of that changing room before rocking up... His obsessive compulsive nature will of left no stone unturned and that goes for influence from certain players.. 3 notable absences yesterday weren't exactly a surprise!!
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I don't disagree he'll have done his homework, but there's a paradox in all of that.
If he gives 100% to whichever club he's at, then he can't be spending time looking at his next club. If he WAS doing a lot of background work with City, then he was taking his eye off the ball with Bayern.

Even if he did absolutely zero background work (which is unimaginable), I'm sure on day one at City he'll have chatted with Txiki and co and got a feel for the dressing room politics, then within a couple of weeks of spending time with the lads, he'll have spotted any cliques / attitude issues. He'll have also worked out who responds to a kick up the arse, and who responds to an arm around the shoulder. Joe could well be a kick up the arse candidate!
 
pudge said:
But again, apparently replacing Hart is for the sake of progression.

So unless there was an internal protest to save Hart alone, what prevented him from being sold?

Perhaps back then a perceived weakness in his game was spotted and for the sake of progressing as a club, in a new style, a replacement was sought after. Or did the manager just want rid for poops and giggles?
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You're applying a situation and ignoring what the managers whole philosophy is about, there are shortcomings in joes game that have been masked by a style/preference of play. However, he also thinks he's better than he is (imo)... There's only one winner here!!
 
FanchesterCity said:
I don't disagree he'll have done his homework, but there's a paradox in all of that.
If he gives 100% to whichever club he's at, then he can't be spending time looking at his next club. If he WAS doing a lot of background work with City, then he was taking his eye off the ball with Bayern.

Even if he did absolutely zero background work (which is unimaginable), I'm sure on day one at City he'll have chatted with Txiki and co and got a feel for the dressing room politics, then within a couple of weeks of spending time with the lads, he'll have spotted any cliques / attitude issues. He'll have also worked out who responds to a kick up the arse, and who responds to an arm around the shoulder. Joe could well be a kick up the arse candidate!
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It's nothing to do with a kick up the arse, all to do with capabilities and reinforcing the philosophy, every man is equal in a pep team, leave the advice to those who coach and listen to instruction.... Simples
 
deano ou812 said:
Spot on,but I hope hart can take it on board and can convince pep he's the right man for the job..
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Folowing his instructions in the 45 minutes he played against Arsenal might have helped convince Pep of that but he didn't did he? So he's either completely brainless (which I've long suspected) or was sticking two fingers up to his manager. Neither are really going to get him a long way.
 
marco said:
the point i'm making is its quite clear someone is leaking info from whats going on inside the club, there were to many reports of hart being dropped from to many journo's for there not to be, have you read all the thread or just jumped on the back of it
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You may be right, but equally, it could have just been a speculative tweet and they rode their luck and announced it. It was your Page 3 thingy that through me.
 
Personally I think Pep decided he was going to replace Hart before he came to the club, when he was watching at Bayern and at the Euros. I think Hart is a better Keeper than Willy, but Pep is sending a clear signal to everyone that he is looking for a new goalkeeper to be his number one.
 
mosssideblue said:
You may be right, but equally, it could have just been a speculative tweet and they rode their luck and announced it. It was your Page 3 thingy that through me.
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I don't think it's speculative work that Pep would drop Joe. I know the press get a hard time (and justifiably so sometimes), but a lot of what's printed is coming from reliable sources. The gossip columns are pure bullshit, but the more serious articles do tend to be informed.
I've little doubt that the press saying Joe would be dropped was informed.
 
Begiristain and Khaldoon spoke to Hart and were given the impression that Guardiola would give him the season to prove himself. [The Sun]

I don't suspect this to bullshit rumor.. He has a high standing in the club... And I hope he stays to be a part of the pep Era.. Which we all hope will surpass what we have done since the take over
 
razman said:
Begiristain and Khaldoon spoke to Hart and were given the impression that Guardiola would give him the season to prove himself. [The Sun]

I don't suspect this to bullshit rumor.. He has a high standing in the club... And I hope he stays to be a part of the pep Era.. Which we all hope will surpass what we have done since the take over
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Why would they even have this conversation?
 
If were Pep (and thank God I'm not!) - no matter how many times I'd seen Joe on video / TV, I'd still be eager to speak face to face and make a final judgment based on working with him.
Sure Pep might have done plenty of homework and started to form an opinion - he's human after all, but I'd still expect he'd offer enough time for Joe to change his mind. It might not be bags of time, but enough to give him a fair chance to change Pep's mind (or affirm what he already thought).

So far, it would appear Joe's not managed to change his mind, but we don't know how long he's got (or if that time has already expired!).

Sure you can say Joe doesn't fit in with Pep's philosophy etc, but I'd still expect Pep would want a final confirmation of that having met and worked with him rather than completely formed that opinion before he arrived.

However, for the first time we have a manager who is bigger than the players. It's going to be a shock to some of them.
 
Proy said:
In mine also.

I think he's a bit cocky actually.

Combined with his inability on the ball has made it a pretty simple decision.
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Obviously pep has had plenty of discussions with the powers that be and certain players cards would have been marked, it's no secret that a big problem with this team over the years is that apathy takes hold. There will be good reasons why hart was dropped but kolorov played for example.
 
Just watching the live feed of the team heading for Bucharest. Joe didn't look happy.
 
hilts said:
Obviously pep has had plenty of discussions with the powers that be and certain players cards would have been marked, it's no secret that a big problem with this team over the years is that apathy takes hold. There will be good reasons why hart was dropped but kolorov played for example.
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AK is probably quite instructive in that he is likely to have been on the out list prior to Pep arriving yet clearly he has bought into Pep's methods and embraced playing as CB for the good of the team and this positive attitude has won Pep's support. If Joe had done something similar then it is likely he would have bought himself a season to adapt.

It's possible AK may not have the skill set long term to work for Pep but right now it's all about attitude and a willingness to listen and learn and take that onto the pitch. This situation has escalated because of Joe's refusal to show Pep that he is willing to listen and learn.
 
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