Joe Hart (joined Torino on season long loan - Official)

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ChicagoBlue said:
One wonders why you follow football, listen to music, watch TV....or interact with people at all, if all people are to you is what they earn.

Football teams print money. Should that money go to the people who make the club what it is and put bums in seats and success on the field? Or, should it just all flow back into the pockets of Sheikh Mansour, who these players have helped turn a few hundred million into two billion?

Only sad muppets with no life shake their fist at anyone who has made something of themselves. Some people actually work their way to the top in a very competitive field, as has Joe Hart. Does he get very well paid? Absolutely! Should he? Absolutely! Are some wages seemingly obscene? Absolutely! Does he earn it by being one of the best at what he does in a field that generates billions of pounds? Absolutely. Does ANY of that require him to be a class act during this upheaval? Absolutely NOT...but he has been.

Don't cry for Joe Hart, he will be fine. However, to try to distill him down to his paycheck is disrespectful in the extreme for a player that has represented our club as well as anyone over the years of service he has provided.
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Perfectly put. Hart can't control how much he and other footballers get paid. All he can do is control his own performances and behaviour.

Opinions will always differ on his performances - my opinion is that in the system he has been asked to perform for almost a decade he has been mostly excellent.

Behaviour wise I think there can be little dissent - he has always been a magnificent ambassador for City. His interviews have been thoughtful and showed he cared, he is always the first over to away fans at the end of the game and reminding the other players to do so. And that celebration when Aguero scored...

Finally, if you don't invest emotionally in players at all then what's the point? Don't get me wrong, players more than ever come and go. But not to recognise Joe's contribution and berating/laughing at others for having the temerity to feel a bit sad seems odd to me. Yes, no one has died - but loving a football team is wildly irrational anyway, liking and caring about individual players is no more strange.
 
Abattoir Blue said:
Perfectly put. Hart can't control how much he and other footballers get paid. All he can do is control his own performances and behaviour.

Opinions will always differ on his performances - my opinion is that in the system he has been asked to perform for almost a decade he has been mostly excellent.

Behaviour wise I think there can be little dissent - he has always been a magnificent ambassador for City. His interviews have been thoughtful and showed he cared, he is always the first over to away fans at the end of the game and reminding the other players to do so. And that celebration when Aguero scored...

Finally, if you don't invest emotionally in players at all then what's the point? Don't get me wrong, players more than ever come and go. But not to recognise Joe's contribution and berating/laughing at others for having the temerity to feel a bit sad seems odd to me. Yes, no one has died - but loving a football team is wildly irrational anyway, liking and caring about individual players is no more strange.
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Spot on. Joe is a very easy player to like. Fans, player, and MCFC all did themselves credit last night. If you've been watching City for the last decade, then you have a feeling for club and player. Guardiola could well be spot on. You see how he reacts to a difficult situation - with class and he'll probably become a better keeper and work on whatever the weakness is.

The usual suspects on here tried to rubbish him quite unnecessarily. Noticed that both the Joe and Guardiola songs got sung last night.
 
Chipmeister said:
I thought it was noticeable how Joe looked for the short pass, or throw, whereas in past seasons he has been looking to play long diagonals higher up the pitch. I have no doubts Joe could be the sweeper keeper it just looks like it is too late for him to show it, why oh why was he not trying to do this last season and in training perhaps with extra sessions and joining in passing drills, I know I would if I wanted to develop my game and play at City with Pep.
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The opposition made no attempt whatsoever to press defenders when the goalkeeper had the ball so it was easy to follow the instruction last night. I think he did try it last season but if defenders were pressed they did not want the ball so it had to go long. Now the instruction is to play out and draw attackers forward and play past them.
 
manchester blue said:
The opposition made no attempt whatsoever to press defenders when the goalkeeper had the ball so it was easy to follow the instruction last night. I think he did try it last season but if defenders were pressed they did not want the ball so it had to go long. Now the instruction is to play out and draw attackers forward and play past them.
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Correct. You can see he isn't comfortable controlling the ball and then moving it on. I'm sure its something that can be worked on. He can strike a ball very well. Do all the ball tricks etc so I reckon in time he could sort it out, but as Pep says we are here now.
 
Great words from the big man post match. Good luck Joe in whatever you decide to do.

Pretty certain he would be a good sweeper keeper within 6 months with his performance last night,and what I've seen in training, which would probably annoy the Joe Haters on here...
But hey, that ain't going to happen unless he goes on loan and comes back next summer. Only a move abroad would do that though.
 
Said it earlier in this thread and I'll say it again. I think Pep has got this one wrong. There has never been anything wrong with Joe's distribution and his general ball control. His long rang kicking is actually very accurate and people keep referring to stats over the past 3 seasons showing amount of short passes etc. as if this is proof that he cannot do it. The team has never been set up to play this way in the past. Look at what happened v PSG last season when he tried giving it short, Fernando gave a goal away. No wonder he tended to look long.

I'm sure Bravo will do a good job, can't say I've seen a huge amount of him but you don't get to be Barcas keeper unless you've got something about you. Just think that there are other areas in the team we could spend that money on, namely full backs and a striker.
 
mrtwiceaseason said:
In joes defence it needed the defenders to play to the system as well Joe couldn't just start playing sweeper keeper without them being drilled in it.
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Good point, if Joe has got players looking to receive the ball in positions where the coach wants it played then everyone has a chance to play and the keeper has the confidence to take a touch and knows he has options. Rather than just go long to clear the ball, it is a mindset and one I'm sure Joe could become a part of.
 
Chipmeister said:
Good point, if Joe has got players looking to receive the ball in positions where the coach wants it played then everyone has a chance to play and the keeper has the confidence to take a touch and knows he has options. Rather than just go long to clear the ball, it is a mindset and one I'm sure Joe could become a part of.
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To suggest Joe could suddenly start playing sweeper keeper last season without involving a drilled defence is nonsense. And to suggest he could work on it in training yet again without the defensive unit how could he.
The aspects of his game he should have worked and worked on was his long range kicking when pressed by a charging forward ,and the very basics of taking a goal kick.
 
One thing I can't get out of my head was "the circus" line Joe came out with,maybe that was his way of a complaint,but he must have a point somewhere here.

Us as fans,are stuck between a rock and a hard place here,unless your an outer,of which I know there are a few on here,Pep comes with new ideas,and it is working,4 out of 4,but you can't help feel this could have been dealt with better.

And before one of the "outers" starts blabbing on about money,blah blah fucking blah,I think you will find thy are all paid big wages,so that argument is nonsense.

The guy should have been put on the transfer list the minute Pep came in,but he wasn't,and I've also a feeling that Pep will wake up this morning,and may think to himself.........mmmmmmmmm we may be making a mistake here,surely some emotion must have passed through him.

I really hope there is a change of events over these next few days,and he stays,but looking at reactions and chat after last night,it looks like that will not happen
 
jimharri said:
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God, that felt good. I've not done that (Oo-err) in ages.
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You what
 
Len Rum said:
So you were seven when we beat Gillingham and you have fond memories?
You may have to submit to a polygraph test mate to establish your true credentials as a Blue.
I'm sure the Mods will oblige.
Otherwise your account will be monitored very carefully by rag hunters on this forum.
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Yes, so what I was young and I can't have memories of the game?

I had it on VCR and watched it back many times it was my favourite game back then, come and see me in person and say it to my face if you wish. I dare you
 
After Joe's post match interview where he jokingly said "Pig can fly cant they!" about him using he feet, the Daily Mail have gone with the headline "Joe Hart takes aim at Pep Guardiola's ball-playing criticism"
 
meeesh said:
One thing I can't get out of my head was "the circus" line Joe came out with,maybe that was his way of a complaint,but he must have a point somewhere here.

Us as fans,are stuck between a rock and a hard place here,unless your an outer,of which I know there are a few on here,Pep comes with new ideas,and it is working,4 out of 4,but you can't help feel this could have been dealt with better.

And before one of the "outers" starts blabbing on about money,blah blah fucking blah,I think you will find thy are all paid big wages,so that argument is nonsense.

The guy should have been put on the transfer list the minute Pep came in,but he wasn't,and I've also a feeling that Pep will wake up this morning,and may think to himself.........mmmmmmmmm we may be making a mistake here,surely some emotion must have passed through him.

I really hope there is a change of events over these next few days,and he stays,but looking at reactions and chat after last night,it looks like that will not happen
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With a few days left until the window closes and no obvious move, must be a chance he will stay. Not sure that's necessarily good for him or club, but it would be if he could improve the aspect of his game that Pep feels is lacking.

We don't know how Guardiola and his staff came to their decision. They may have realised quite quickly and opted to go for Willy but it only becomes obvious to us when they pick the team.
 
Marvin said:
With a few days left until the window closes and no obvious move, must be a chance he will stay. Not sure that's necessarily good for him or club, but it would be if he could improve the aspect of his game that Pep feels is lacking.

We don't know how Guardiola and his staff came to their decision. They may have realised quite quickly and opted to go for Willy but it only becomes obvious to us when they pick the team.
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Not sure it's good for him or the club ? How do you mean ? That he won't get game time you mean ?
 
I think he already has something tied up and that is linked to Bravo signing which also looks to be done. It really is a shame but if Pep thinks it will help win us games then we have to believe in him now.
 
inbetween said:
I think he already has something tied up and that is linked to Bravo signing which also looks to be done. It really is a shame but if Pep thinks it will help win us games then we have to believe in him now.
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Maybe there is mate,but all I'm reading is that Barca won't sanction this deal yet until they get the keeper from Ajax,but Bravo is in Manchester as we all know,it's very strange this,we were not that desperate for a new keeper where we ?
 
I first started watching City, taken by my dad and my older cousin, when I was a kid. I liked City because all the nicest people in my life were City supporters, I respected the Players; they were City players, legends who I couldn't, in my naive youthfulness, imagine playing for any other club. Over the years we have had some great players and some favourite players, who were possibly less-than-great but favourites non-the-less. I have always believed that there is a City type of fan and also a City type of player. Sometimes players encapsulate the spirit of our Club, ambassadors both on and off the pitch. We don't applaud cheats, divers, biters, philanderers, but like to think that our lads play with the right attitude and endeavour. This is important to us as fans because it defines our Club. No other player in the last decade has encapsulated the spirit of the Club better that Joe Hart who has, in that time, shown absolute professionalism in pursuit of his craft as well as an appreciation of the Club and it's fans. Another fan's favourite will come along, another Trautmann, Corrigan or Weaver, but to lose a player of Joe's character, spirit and immense ability will inevitably, for a time at least, leave me with a feeling that the Club has been weakened as a entity, the family has lost a member. Good luck Joe.
 
meeesh said:
Maybe there is mate,but all I'm reading is that Barca won't sanction this deal yet until they get the keeper from Ajax,but Bravo is in Manchester as we all know,it's very strange this,we were not that desperate for a new keeper where we ?
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It is strange and there is definitely more to it if you ask me. Joe has always been one of the more vocal players and maybe this is Pep's way of quashing any conflict or power heads in the dressing room.

We have to trust now in what he is trying to build and that is a team, last year we played like 11 individuals so he has obviously identified problems with the dressing room and the overall mentality behind the scenes. No player makes a team though and it is a massive shame but we have to wish Joe well and remember what he has achieved, at the end of the day though he is 1 player of a squad of 25.
 
inbetween said:
It is strange and there is definitely more to it if you ask me. Joe has always been one of the more vocal players and maybe this is Pep's way of quashing any conflict or power heads in the dressing room.

We have to trust now in what he is trying to build and that is a team, last year we played like 11 individuals so he has obviously identified problems with the dressing room and the overall mentality behind the scenes. No player makes a team though and it is a massive shame but we have to wish Joe well and remember what he has achieved, at the end of the day though he is 1 player of a squad of 25.
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Very true that,however I will revert back to one of my original points in this thread,way back,keepers are unique,and Joe certainly was for us,they are only 1 of 25 as you say,but I look at that position as slightly more important,I'm hoping this Bravo will put all our minds (well mine) at rest right from his first game for us
 
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