Joe Hart (joined Torino on season long loan - Official)

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Monkfish said:
if I am going on holiday tonight, but miss my flight I've not really 'stayed', have I?
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It was always questionable as to whether he'd find a club. It's still not resolved and up in the air, but there is a good chance he'll stay for now. That was the situation a week ago, and it's still the situation now. Some people said it was a foregone conclusion he'd be gone by the end of the window. It's not.
 
macmanson said:
Again, not a dismissal of Guardiola, more of the quality of our team. If a team with the quality that Bayern had coming off of having won the Champion's League wasn't able to repeat that success with a manager of Guardiola's stature, then it would be a jump to assume that he can drag our current team to that level in a shorter time span.
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But by keeping Hart he has a better chance ?
 
kas_tippler said:
Sunderland
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They should push the boat out for Joe. He'd keep them up single-handed. Recall his season at Birmingham. But I think they are budgeting for relegation. Doing a Lerner. Got about £150m debt. 3rd biggest in Premiership after Utd and Arsenal. Hart could be an inspired signing but doubt they will take any financial risks.
 
On the balance of things, Hart staying back now, does not benefit our club, given the constant media speculation clouding everything else. Forget EPL, Im sure across Europe there are enough clubs that will accept Hart as No.1, even now? Club is ready to fund bulk of his wages, if need be. If we still cant find a single club by Sep 1st, thats saying either Hart does not want to go or he is not that keen on playing minutes or he is not particularly wanted? Media has sided with Joe. Most players in his place, would milk the situation too. Screw England No.1 spot. Screw playing minutes. Screw the club.

The transfer market is always a Players market - most ppl here dont seem to get it. If a player wants to go somewhere, he does achieve it, 99 times out of 100. But somehow, once a blue, always a blue, who always thinks of blue's interest, cannot find a single place all over europe, to ease the shite-stirring the club is going through - that too on loan, not even an outright sale. Most players fight change in status-quo this way. Happens across the world, where the player has grown too big and has media might with him. Think Rooney for example. Him not going and media slating the club for the situation - its obvious who is fighting this proxy! IMO, the battle is open now with Txixi saying club will do everything to help him leave and he is fighting back through media. The media dirt in the past weeks is proof enough that such player power centres should not be allowed to develop inside a club - they only hold the club back long term! Think Chelsea!
 
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Hart HAS been harshly treated by Pep. I get that he wants to stamp his authority on the side, but splashing out £17m on Bravo who is 33 years old is crazy considering we have Hart, who is simply just low on confidence. There is no doubt that Bravo is a top class keeper but Hart just needs an arm round the shoulder and he has the mentality to get back to the form we all know he is capable of. What he and Pellegrini see in Caballero is beyond me. Shaky is an understatement.
 
GaudinoMotors said:
But by keeping Hart he has a better chance ?
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I'm not convinced his chances would have been all that diminished by keeping Hart. Bravo is likely more suited to his system, but I I think Joe could have adequately covered for a season or two, and would have thought improving the age and speed of FBs would have been a bigger priority in the now. I suspect Rulli (or possibly some other younger goalie) will be in the fold by the time Pep is able to mold this team into being a perennial champion's league contender. Not sure the fuss it's created this year is worth the trouble of improving the position. My other concern with Bravo is that most of his injuries have come in the last 4 years, with 2 in his time with Barcelona and he was only playing league matches for them.

15/16 Calf Injury Apr 30, 2016 May 18, 2016 18 days 3
15/16 Muscle fibre(hamstring) Sep 8, 2015 Oct 2, 2015 24 days 6
13/14 Muscle fibre(hamstring) Mar 2, 2014 Mar 13, 2014 11 days 2
12/13 Fractured Arm Sep 27, 2012 Nov 18, 2012 52 days 7
09/10 Ruptured intraarticular ligament initiation in knee Mar 28, 2010 May 15, 2010 48 days 7

The injury lengths are short but can his body handle playing every game in all competitions? Means we might have to rely on Willy much more than we've been used to.
 
I doubt Bravo is Pep's long term choice. He's more likely to end up as our number 2 when Pep brings in a younger keeper. But in the meantime, he will tide us over.
 
Interesting what Pep had to say about the Hart situation in the presser:

“Of course it is not an ideal situation but I will respect their contracts and the situation. I will be clear what will be the solution.

“If all four stay here the best solution is for everybody to be involved in our idea. They are going to be involved in our idea.

“They are going to be in rotation, part of that. So Joe, Willy and Angus stay then it won’t be the same one who is always on the bench.

“Maybe they go into rotation to find a solution - the best for us and them. They need to play. The situation is not easy right now.”

Seems like they are beginning to except that Joe could very well still be here with us after the transfer window closes.
 
minnesota blue said:
Was it his age that led you to this hypothesis or the signing of Rulli?
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Both, and the supposed interest in Ter Stergen prior to Bravo.
Of course, it's a guess, but it feels much more a case of needing to replace Hart than actively desiring Bravo.
It would make more sense (to me) for Bravo to buy us some time to keep a lookout for a younger / better keeper. Willy will probably then leave, and Bravo become our number two.
Our signing / not really a signing of Rulli is actually more like placing a reservation on him in the hope he comes good, but it does suggest Pep's got a young keepers on his mind.
To my mind, I don't think he'd want to drill a new system into the defence without an experienced goalkeeper (already capable of his system). Once it's second nature to the defenders, then maybe he can introduce a younger keeper - but that could be 2 years down the line.
 
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I wonder if Hart sees offers from other clubs as being beneath him?

If he stays i bet he gets the League Cup games. I'm intrigued to see how rotating the keepers will effect our back 4 and their thinking.
 
Of course we have to trust the boss but that doesn't mean there aren't misgivings. The proof of the pudding will be in the eating.

At the moment Pep is unimpeachable. Fast forward a few months and, if Bravo hasn't proved a significant upgrade, the "Joe camp" will have plenty to say. If, however, we are pissing the league and Claudio has excelled, all will be forgiven, Joe will be a distant memory and Pep will indeed be a god.
 
macmanson said:
I think Joe is the one they want to move. Papers reporting that City's sporting director Txiki Begiristain said they want to make the goalkeeper 'happy'.

'We will try to find a good solution for everybody,' Begiristain said. 'We now have one week to make him happy and find a club where he has a real chance. We will try and help him because he deserves it.'

It sounds like either Joe won't except being demoted to a #2 or the club fully intended to move him on and were waiting on the conclusion of the Bravo deal to ensure they had coverage. I originally thought it was a spat with Pep but I think it's become clear the club don't want him to be here at the end of the transfer window. I really think both the club and Pep have been caught a little off guard at how just unpopular the decision was. I truly believe the club will try to find him the best solution because they have to be aware that the English media is going to hound them over the dropping of the England No. 1.
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I dont think Pep/Txiki will give a flying fukc what the media say. Their interest is what's best for our club, not what they think the media will do if we drop an England player.

In the clubs eyes, they will surely see it as a popular decision as we are improving, are we not?
 
CitizenTID said:
It's going to be very difficult I think to find Joe a suitable team where he'd be #1 with the time left, even on loan. If he stays, his England spot is gone too I reckon. Why wasn't all of this clear when he came back in preseason? Seems a bit late to have put this on him.
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How do you know it wasn't? I very much doubt the club would simply do this now as it's in our interest to to get a decent team for him.
 
mosssideblue said:
Hope this doesn't come across as being a silly question. But if Joe is going to become #2 behind Bravo, why was he not #1 ahead of Willy?
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Pep said willy had a fully pre-season and he liked how he took on board his ideas so he played him,he also said he is not saying that joe can't do it but needs time to learn,if joe does stay i think the no 2 will be up for grabs providing joe learns fast
I hope joe gets a move and not to the relegation teams some twats have suggested
 
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