I hope he does get a good move and continues to be successful it wont be Pep he'll be proving wrong though, Peps said he's a top keeper but he needs a sweeper keeper who can play out from the back, Joe would need to learn that and we can't wait in fairness. He'll prove some of the posters here wrong I'm pretty sure though, who keep trying to make it about something else.
I support the club and manager and accept that joe has some weaknesses. Distribution, concentration and low to the left. Some are blinkered to that. I am not. Kolorov navas bony get fucking battered on this forum every week why is joe immune. What is it?
I have enjoyed joe and he has been good for 10 years I agree with the her decision he is not improving and its somehow wrong ( and I am not a fan) to be critical of pep or the club just because joe has been dropped? I am the one supporting the club and the manager and you are not....
Nasri, yaya, Denayor and others are having the same treatment but it does not seem to have the same disruption/ Shitstorm. Why is that?
Do you believe the bullshit you type? Whether it's over defensiveness, over sensitiveness or being sycophantic towards Pep understand this:
Giving Joe his dues is not going against Pep or the Club. Some people can see where Pep's coming from and will get over it but are getting fed up of the nonsense being spouted about Harts "level". Cech and Buffon are not keepers known for their footwork or sweeping up at the back, even if they can do a little a bit of it they are nowhere near Neuers level yet they are still definitely top class keepers or they were if you feel like they are getting on a bit. There are different styles of play at some clubs even the elite clubs in Europe(most don't play that way in fact), so there's still a place for excellent keepers who aren't sweeper keepers at the top level.
Peps a grown man he's not bothered if some fans think it would have been better to keep Hart on as number 2 keeper, there's no need to defend him so excessively as I said it's ironic because the way some tell it simply giving Hart due credit(telling it how it is) is what's causing the disruption. He's a great keeper but he's not right for what Pep needs right now he doesn't have the time to teach him that, he needs a keeper that can do it in the present.
The fact is just because he's not right for our NEW system doesn't mean he's not still a top keeper he is champions league level he's proved it on the pitch(everything else said to the contrary is just talk no substance), that's why he's going not because his performances haven't been deemed good enough on the shot stopping. All keepers make mistakes and have lapses in concentration, Joe hasn't been at fault for that many goals in truth we've been lucky to have him more often than not. This low left weakness is being over egged to stupid levels too it might not be his strongest side(all keepers have a strong side) but he's made saves low to his left it's not a case of put it low left and it's a sure fire goal.
Get behind Pep and the Club, I'm doing exactly the same myself, when some make remarks about a player I've seen a lot of over the years that I strongly disagree with and I'll say so as will others who find certain comments to be wide of the mark(it's heated discussion for the most part). The reality most of the arguing isn't about Pep or the club it's about Joe alone most of it, I can't think why anyone would literally turn on Pep or the Club over it whether the decision is right or wrong.
Just watch someone will start "the circle of Hart" again any moment with another tired old argument. I need to stop looking at this thread it's like groundhog day. :)This is pretty much all I have meant, thanks for putting it in better words than my own.
In reply, Hart is a gonna, I can deal with that part, I can also deal with the part that he has weaknesses in his game, that is all irrelevant as that is not the point I was making, the fans that need to give Hart a massive kick on his way out as a way of, well I don't really know what tbh, the lad has played 350 games for the club I support, of course there is attachment to long serving players, no I don't think he has been given much of a chance by Pep for whatever reason, I just don't know what people get out of coming on and constantly downgrading Harts achievements in some petty point scoring fashion, a game of Hart v Pep who you going to back da da da... ?
It isn't about that for me, just say your goodbyes and let it go, but there are posters in this thread that have posted over and over again how crap Hart is and how they have never thought he was any good and that is utter crap, he has been good enough for 10 years and maybe it is the right time for him to leave but he should leave with the best wishes of the fans.
You mention Nasri, I don't like him, I have never liked him, I hated him after his dangling foot from behind the wall in the derby but you won't find a post from me in the Nasri thread saying thank fuck he is off at last, there just isn't the need to say it.
Yaya blew his love with his birthday cake incident and I feel sorry for Denayor and believe he should have been given his chance last season and will be pissed off if he leaves with out being given any kind of a chance but then that would be me railing against the leaders of this club, I liked Kolorov and been a supporter but Southampton last year made me boil but he has seemingly turned over a new leaf and may possibly end up at centre half, who knew that was possible.
So buying sane poved to be a mistake because he got a slight injury?Erm, quite.
In fact the whole point of the post mentioning how we don't know the risk of transfers and new players picking up an injury, you know because he got injured before playing a game, fuck me, at least read the fucking post before coming back with your ffs.
Also nobody slagged Sane off, just to make it absolutely clear for you.
So buying sane poved to be a mistake because he got a slight injury?
You made the point that it was a risk to sign a 33 year old cos he could get injured, then used sane as an example. When clearly that just makes no sense.Just where the fuck did I say that ?
Obviously you didn't go back to the original post and reread it and I am not even sure you read the post you have quoted as I plainly don't say signing Sane was a mistake and in fact actually state in the post you quoted "Also nobody slagged Sane off, just to make it absolutely clear for you." not that you understood that bit obviously.
No real point talking if you are just going to make stuff up is there.
It's possible I suppose. Joe would lose some dosh but could eat pizza again.Anyone else think Leicester may come in for a loan with Schmeikel going off injured today and needing a hernia operation?
You are right when you say that not being right for our new system doesn't mean he is not a top keeper however weaknesses in distribution, aerial ability , not stopping daisy cutter shots to his left do.Do you believe the bullshit you type? Whether it's over defensiveness, over sensitiveness or being sycophantic towards Pep understand this:
Giving Joe his dues is not going against Pep or the Club. Some people can see where Pep's coming from and will get over it but are getting fed up of the nonsense being spouted about Harts "level". Cech and Buffon are not keepers known for their footwork or sweeping up at the back, even if they can do a little a bit of it they are nowhere near Neuers level yet they are still definitely top class keepers or they were if you feel like they are getting on a bit. There are different styles of play at some clubs even the elite clubs in Europe(most don't play that way in fact), so there's still a place for excellent keepers who aren't sweeper keepers at the top level.
Peps a grown man he's not bothered if some fans think it would have been better to keep Hart on as number 2 keeper, there's no need to defend him so excessively as I said it's ironic because the way some tell it simply giving Hart due credit(telling it how it is) is what's causing the disruption. He's a great keeper but he's not right for what Pep needs right now he doesn't have the time to teach him that, he needs a keeper that can do it in the present.
The fact is just because he's not right for our NEW system doesn't mean he's not still a top keeper he is champions league level he's proved it on the pitch(everything else said to the contrary is just talk no substance), that's why he's going not because his performances haven't been deemed good enough on the shot stopping. All keepers make mistakes and have lapses in concentration, Joe hasn't been at fault for that many goals in truth we've been lucky to have him more often than not. This low left weakness is being over egged to stupid levels too it might not be his strongest side(all keepers have a strong side) but he's made saves low to his left it's not a case of put it low left and it's a sure fire goal.
Get behind Pep and the Club, I'm doing exactly the same myself, when some make remarks about a player I've seen a lot of over the years that I strongly disagree with and I'll say so as will others who find certain comments to be wide of the mark(it's heated discussion for the most part). The reality most of the arguing isn't about Pep or the club it's about Joe alone most of it, I can't think why anyone would literally turn on Pep or the Club over it whether the decision is right or wrong.
Anyone else think Leicester may come in for a loan with Schmeikel going off injured today and needing a hernia operation?
It's not just a case of fan-boys and girls being concerned about Hart's treatment. The episode has caused misgivings to many who value fair dealing rather than winning at all costs. That is the true d
it seems city have told joe that he will not loose a penny in wages even if it means paying up to 90% , sounds like fair dealings to meIt's not just a case of fan-boys and girls being concerned about Hart's treatment. The episode has caused misgivings to many who value fair dealing rather than winning at all costs. That is the true division on this matter. It mirrors the fact that there were plenty on here 12 months ago who would have been happy to suck Mourinho's dick and plenty who said "no way".
If Joe has shown insubordination in any form, Pep is absolutely right to move him on. If not, there has been a degree of cynicism, not to mention cold and calculated PR.
We don't actually know for sure but the element of doubt has taken some of the shine off early season for me and, I suspect, a few others.
That said this is a mercenary, unforgiving business. If we win the league, Pep will be a hero. If we finish below the rags, he'll get the Bluemoon treatment.
In the meantime, this is an unwelcome and expensive distraction.
it seems city have told joe that he will not loose a penny in wages even if it means paying up to 90% , sounds like fair dealings to me
it seems city have told joe that he will not loose a penny in wages even if it means paying up to 90% , sounds like fair dealings to me
If we have to subsidise 60k a week to get him out on loan then that's probably worth it if that's what it takes. That's only £3m for the year and having the camera cut to his miserable little face in the crowd ten times every game and having the pundits endlessly pontificating on it every time Bravo is less than perfect would do a lot more than £3m worth of damage. Ideally someone would take him and pay his wages, but if the options are pay some of the money or keep him then it's a no brainer for me. Him being here and not playing would be terrible for our seasonI refuse to believe we will pay 90% of his wages that would be madness, if he won't take a pay cut then keep him at the club, he has been amply paid for his work to date, we owe him nothing
If we have to subsidise 60k a week to get him out on loan then that's probably worth it if that's what it takes. That's only £3m for the year and having the camera cut to his miserable little face in the crowd ten times every game and having the pundits endlessly pontificating on it every time Bravo is less than perfect would do a lot more than £3m worth of damage. Ideally someone would take him and pay his wages, but if the options are pay some of the money or keep him then it's a no brainer for me. Him being here and not playing would be terrible for our season
Rubbish! :)You are right when you say that not being right for our new system doesn't mean he is not a top keeper however weaknesses in distribution, aerial ability , not stopping daisy cutter shots to his left do.