bluethrunthru
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In that era it was probably constructed mostly of asbestos and segregation - probably just under half of America think Trump is presidential material which says a lot too
In that era it was probably constructed mostly of asbestos and segregation - probably just under half of America think Trump is presidential material which says a lot too
bluethrunthru
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From what I understand they think the CIA or somesuch fired it upon their own building as for the latter they curiously never say where the plane landed unobserved and how all the passengers and crew went compliantly into some witness protection type programme? Maybe they moved to Guantanamo?
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Yeah that's quite a gaping flaw in the theory from what I can tell. Unless they're saying the very existence of that flight was made up and that all the grieving families are just actors who've been roped into the conspiracy.
bluethrunthru
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fucking hell a riddle within a conspiracy within a mystery - you're good !!!
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For the structural damage that happened to the pentagon the airliner had to fly a certain height from the ground. This has been proven to be impossible as it physically impossible and it would of also destroyed street lights around the building. It is also highly unlikely that a terrorist would have such skill to be able to manoeuvre the plane in such a way that it caused the damage.
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How about these guys?
http://www1.ae911truth.org/faqs/798-who-are-these-2000-architects-and-engineers.html
How about these guys?
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html
No. None of them have ever been proved because they only exist in the minds of people who believe them.
There are actions that take place in the real world, but as more than one 'spy' has said, nothing happens that does not eventually reveal itself and become common knowledge to the general public.
Conspiracy theorists are a law unto themselves, they cross reference each other, believe they are more intelligent than Einstein, accept the world is run by secret societies of Lizards, and make up scenarios just to suit themselves.
I used to read their nonsense and found it amusing, but now it's just tedious and boring.
Conspiracy theories are, as the name suggests, just theories, cobbled together by nutjobs with nothing better to do than think they have a more realistic view on life than the rest of us.
I wouldn't spend too much time delving into it.
Operation Gladio
Operation Gladio was perhaps the most important covert project of the Cold War period. It grew out of the stay-behind armies and resistance movements used against Nazi Germany in WW2. When the war ended a lot of the fascists were spirited out of Europe via Project Paperclip, and most of the allied troops went back to their home countries. In both cases some men stayed behind and between them they formed the early incarnations of the Gladio secret armies – highly trained and well equipped parallel military units who would respond to any Soviet invasion with an instant violent resistance.
In the absence of a Soviet invasion of Western Europe, sometime in the 1950s the mission for these secret armies changed. No longer were they a reactive contingency force, the new mission was much more pro-active. Their new job was to counter the rise in democratic support for Communist and Socialist policies and parties through a threefold method:
1) Infiltrate radical leftist groups and steer/provoke them into violent acts, turning public opinion against them.
2) Carry out false flag attacks to be blamed on Communists, often with patsies ready-to-go provided by the first method.
3) Assassinate or destabilise any political leader – such as Aldo Moro, Harold Wilson and Olaf Palme (and possibly JFK) – who doesn’t ‘get with the program’.
There were several reasons for this shift in strategy. The death of Stalin in 1953 heralded a less aggressive Soviet strategy based more on subversion than overt military engagement. The success of the pseudo-gang tactic used by US secret forces in the Philippines and their British equivalents in Kenya provided a basis for trying the same tactics here in the West, in what the international Gladio network called ‘Host Countries’. Also, by the 60s most of the WW2 operatives had got old and been replaced by a new generation who were thirsty for action. Thus the new, more aggressive Gladio strategy was born.
One of the results of the new approach was an upsurge in urban terrorism across Western Europe, the like of which had not been seen since the decade of regicide, when anarchists killed more heads of state of major countries than at any other time in history. Italy’s ‘years of lead’ began in the 1960s and spanned three decades; the Irish war on terror began in earnest at the same time; many other European countries saw much more terroristic violence in the 60s, 70s and 80s than ever before – this is not a coincidence.
Number of terrorist attacks in Western Europe, 1950-2004 (source)
Suspicions raged throughout this period that this wasn’t an organic phenomenon, and that the violence was the result of secret state policy. Initial evidence surfaced in the form of FM 30-31B, a Gladio training document published by several publications, including CovertAction Quarterly – the magazine founded by CIA whistleblower Philip Agee. He had seen the extended version of Gladio operating in Latin America during his time with the agency. While the exact origins of this document are uncertain (it may well be a Soviet forgery), it subsequently turned up in the house of Licio Gelli – a high ranking Gladio operative in Italy and the head of the P2 masonic lodge. When asked where he got it from, he replied ‘a friend in the CIA gave it to me’. Further versions have been discovered in other countries during investigations into Gladio, showing that whatever its origin, it was being used by Gladio operatives as part of their methodology.
Gladio A Exposed
In the 1980s the dam started to break – Italian investigators were responsible for many of the early breakthroughs. The trial in 1984 of Vincenzo Vinciguerra, a neo-fascist terrorist and lower-level Gladio operative in Italy, began a process that would lead to parliamentary investigations in several European countries. Meanwhile the British military-intelligence manipulation of the war in Northern Ireland was gradually coming to light. In 1992 Brian Nelson went on trial for over 20 charges, including several of conspiracy to murder. Nelson was the surveillance and intelligence chief for the Loyalist paramilitary group the UDA and simultaneously an agent for British military intelligence. He eventually pleaded guilty and became a supergrass, receiving a 10 year prison sentence but then disappearing, presumably into some kind of witness protection. He died in 2003, taking the full story of his role in the local British chapter of Gladio to the grave with him. However, like Vinciguerra, he helped spark off a series of official investigations, all of which concluded that there had been large-scale collusion between British security agencies and Irish terrorists.
Even the BBC, for all their many faults, aired a three-part documentary series in 1992 explaining in some detail what had happened, featuring numerous interviews with Gladio operatives. Over a period of more than 10 years the tale of Gladio’s secret very dirty wars hit the mainstream media and gained a serious degree of public attention. But like everything in our 60-second microwave popcorn media cycle, it got forgotten. When academics like Daniele Ganser and Nafeez Ahmed tried to draw attention to Gladio as a possible framework for understanding 9/11 and the new war on terror in the early years of the 9/11 truth movement, the mainstream media pretended not to remember what it had previously published. Fortunately, people seeking information via the internet and through meet-up groups were listening.
http://www.spyculture.com/deep-fiction-sibel-edmonds-the-lone-gladio/
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Remember watching it live on sky news and they said the us air force had shot down flight 93 .
It then changed later
It then changed later
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What I don't understand about this thread and others is that the OFFICIAL story of 9/11 is itself a conspiracy theory.
The theory being that 19 young lads, led by bin laden from a cave, assimilated themselves into American culture, learned to fly passenger jets by taking lessons in cessnas and using flight simulator, kept everything secret (that's the conspiracy bit) and the rest is history.
Nobody has ever explained though how they managed to hijack the planes hundreds of miles from their targets and then were able to navigate, literally with pin point accuracy, to 3 of their 4 targets. Despite their flight school instructors stating on the record that they were poor pilots of cessnas never mind fast passenger jets.
The official story may well be true, i don't know, and neither does anybody else, I just have serious doubts for lots of reasons.
The theory being that 19 young lads, led by bin laden from a cave, assimilated themselves into American culture, learned to fly passenger jets by taking lessons in cessnas and using flight simulator, kept everything secret (that's the conspiracy bit) and the rest is history.
Nobody has ever explained though how they managed to hijack the planes hundreds of miles from their targets and then were able to navigate, literally with pin point accuracy, to 3 of their 4 targets. Despite their flight school instructors stating on the record that they were poor pilots of cessnas never mind fast passenger jets.
The official story may well be true, i don't know, and neither does anybody else, I just have serious doubts for lots of reasons.
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I wouldn't trust any website with "911truth" as part of its url. For every conspiracy theory I've seen, I've read convincing evidence that debunks it. There isn't a single one that stands any serious scrutiny.
There are probably 10 million people in the USA who could legitimately call themselves qualified engineers or architects and the fact that a couple of thousand of them align themselves with conspiracy bullshit is hardly a surprise. I'm willing to bet that the number of these 2000 that are qualified to highest level in the appropriate fields of engineering and are acknowledged as leading experts by their peers could be counted on one hand.
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Stopped reading after that.
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Fair enough. It'll save you having to argue against logic.
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purplenose
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Thats the point exactly isnt it....so much about that day carries little logic....again a bloke with a few hours on a Cessna being able to fly a boeing 757, a fairly heavy fuel load on board too boot, and hit a wall in a way that made dropping the bouncing bomb on the dambusters raid a simple and slightly mundane task that only an idiot could fail to complete! That is a highly illogical turn of events.
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Not sure where you've got this few hours on a Cessna from. The hijacker who flew flight 77 into the Pentagon had a Commercial Pilots License which he had qualified for two years earlier.
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I watch the building come down, no this just does not happen. I wish i could put this to bed in my head but the third building and how they fell etc is to much for me just to accept. Thermite was at the scene due to micro-spheres of iron, no amount of billowing effect can replicate this, the heat needs to be sustained super directly.
Something just smells wrong about it all to me.
Something just smells wrong about it all to me.
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purplenose
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He had never flown a commercial airliner, he had lessons in cessna 172s and was a pretty bloody poor pilot by all accounts. He would not have been capable of hitting that wall in the fashion that it was hit.....thats before we even attempt to find a justification for hitting the outer wall and not just diving into the middle of the place. Terrorist are generally not thick and someone will have thought it through. After all the two aircraft that hit the twin towers simply made sure they hit the towers and didnt risk hitting anything else first as you say logic.
I havent said I believe in conspiracy theory or otherwise, but equally it is somewhat hard to believe the official story when there is very clear evidence to suggest that it may not be the true story, with the Pentagon attack there are serious questions that remain un answered, ones that somebody with a basic knowledge of aviation and military activities can see very clearly simply dont add up.
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How do you know he was trying to hit the Pentagon in the way that he did? If the impact point was planned prior to the event I would agree with you however there's no evidence that this was the case and his target was more than likely the Pentagon in general not a specific point on one of its walls.