Yaya Toure apologises

[Dax777]

Because he's a fucking idiot. Like a lot of footballers.

Because he is intelligent. He is a City worker not a City fan. Seluk is a mentor who's been with him since he was a youth. Only an idiot will pick a club over a long-term confidant. That you can't see thst, says more about you than it does Yaya.

 

[Gabriel]

Because he is intelligent. He is a City worker not a City fan. Seluk is a mentor who's been with him since he was a youth. Only an idiot will pick a club over a long-term confidant.

Agree with this part. He's trusted Seluk and why not, after all he has taken him far in his career and now has him earning 250K a week for doing nothing. Will probably arrange a massive move to China next summer and split the proceeds.

 

[Dax777]

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Good post. However, the "no dickheads" ethos went on to the back burner when Tana Umaga tried to cripple Brian O'Driscoll.


The All Blacks are brilliant but their ethos is mainly to help themselves and respect for others isn't a priority. A bit like Yaya and Seluk in some ways

A bit like everyone if we are being honest.

 

[cucumberman]

We were willing to tolerate Seluk, Toure, and the tantrums while we needed him, but time has moved on, and the owners have obviously granted Guardiola carte blanche to handle matters as he sees fit. Not sure why it was deemed necessary to raise it in the press conference, but I expect Toure to be at the club until his contract expires.

Pep didn't bring it up when he was first asked of Yaya. It was when the journo kept on asking the same question that he decided to mention it. Even then he was casual about it.

 

[SWP's back]

Because he is intelligent. He is a City worker not a City fan. Seluk is a mentor who's been with him since he was a youth. Only an idiot will pick a club over a long-term confidant. That you can't see thst, says more about you than it does Yaya.

You think Seluk's actions are going to get him a better deal?

Fucking lol

The fact you think says all I need to know about you flower.

 

[Dax777]

You think Seluk's actions are going to get him a better deal?

Fucking lol

The fact you think says all I need to know about you flower.

I hope this is you just pretending. as opposed to it being a true measure of your intelligence. The question is who should Yaya love more? City or Seluk. Not whether i think any action will get him a better deal. You think Yaya I'd stupid for loving Seluk more. It doesn't take much reasoning to see why Seluk is superior to City for Yaya.

And if you do respond, try to stay on issue.

 

[I'm no cynic but...]

I hope this is you just pretending. as opposed to it being a true measure of your intelligence. The question is who should Yaya love more? City or Seluk. Not whether i think any action will get him a better deal. You think Yaya I'd stupid for loving Seluk more. It doesn't take much reasoning to see why Seluk is superior to City for Yaya.

And if you do respond, try to stay on issue.

It matters not whether Yaya loves City or Seluk the most, if at all. What really matters is whether Yaya is willing and able to justify the kings ransom he receives from his club. For two full seasons now, the evidence is that he doesn't justify it and as the club's demands now exceed his capabilities then it's time for him and his agent to accept the inevitable and just move on and get on with what is left of his career.

 

[SWP's back]

I hope this is you just pretending. as opposed to it being a true measure of your intelligence. The question is who should Yaya love more? City or Seluk. Not whether i think any action will get him a better deal. You think Yaya I'd stupid for loving Seluk more. It doesn't take much reasoning to see why Seluk is superior to City for Yaya.

And if you do respond, try to stay on issue.

It's got nothing to do with who loves who more.

It's about Yaya is obviously a fucking idiot if he thinks his agent spouting off if more likely to benefit him when it comes to his next deal or who he plays for.

 

[Dax777]

It matters not whether Yaya loves City or Seluk the most, if at all. What really matters is whether Yaya is willing and able to justify the kings ransom he receives from his club. For two full seasons now, the evidence is that he doesn't justify it and as the club's demands now exceed his capabilities then it's time for him and his agent to accept the inevitable and just move on and get on with what is left of his career.

This is a different point entirely. But from a contractual point of view he earned his pay when he signed a contract both he and the club thought was deserving. It should be noted that a few years ago when Yaya and his agent thought they deserved more and started angling for more, we roundly criticized them then.

So it cannot be okay for City to want rid when we think he doesn't deserve what he is being paid, but think it unacceptable for himnto want to angle vfor more when he thinks he deserves more. It's a double standard fans fall into consistently.

Either neither side should be deemed unprofessional when they want to break a contract they willingly signed. Or both should be deemed unprofessional when they do.

I am a proponent of the former, you are not unprofessional for trying to work a better deal for yourself and the club is not unprofessional for trying to move on players they don't need. But the bottom line is, the club has the upper hand when a player is agitating for a better deal, and the player has the upper hand when the club has no need for him. Especially when it's an aging player. There really isn't much incentive for players in their twilight. And clubs can't bully them.

 

[Dax777]

It's got nothing to do with who loves who more.

It's about Yaya is obviously a fucking idiot if he thinks his agent spouting off if more likely to benefit him when it comes to his next deal or who he plays for.

Well perhaps you shouldn't have responded to a discussion about who would Yaya back then.

As for his agent mouthing off, the truth is it won't affect where he goes next. Most people simply view this as a beef btw Pep and Seluk. Has nothing to do with them.

 

[Tricky Dickys Right Foot Shot]

I hope this is you just pretending. as opposed to it being a true measure of your intelligence. The question is who should Yaya love more? City or Seluk. Not whether i think any action will get him a better deal. You think Yaya I'd stupid for loving Seluk more. It doesn't take much reasoning to see why Seluk is superior to City for Yaya.

And if you do respond, try to stay on issue.

If Yaya valued his career which he clearly doesn't then he would do what's best for him, not let City and Seluk battle it out, he'd man up grow a pair and face the media shit storm that his agent has started (yet again) and say in his honest opinion what he want's... but instead he cowers behind his agent and lets all this bullshit spiral out of control!

This could have all been avoided from the very beginning if Yaya had spoken to Pep.

 

[SWP's back]

Well perhaps you shouldn't have responded to a discussion about who would Yaya back then.

As for his agent mouthing off, the truth is it won't affect where he goes next. Most people simply view this as a beef btw Pep and Seluk. Has nothing to do with them.

You shouldn't reply if you don't understand a fairly simple premise.

His agent is not remotely helping his chances. A view that is shared by every article, blog and podcast I've listened to since Tuesday.

But you know best. Or you think you do. You've been banging your drum repeatedly for a hundred odd pages. Maybe if you post a few dozen times more you may convince someone. Maybe.

I personally was out for a meal with two professional footballers last night, one who is managed by Mino Raiola and both of which were saying Seluk was fucking him and he's too stupid to realise. I mean it's not your semi pro level knowledge and that, but it'll do for me.

 

[Dax777]

Dax, City have been ignoring seluk and his crap for years now without any counter comment. They've clearly decided that enough is enough.
You're not being neutral because there's no area to be neutral.
In any walk of life, if you publicly disrespect or discredit your employer, especially in the media or on social media, you're sacked.

My neutral comment was tongue in cheek, I was a retort to Big Oscar's claim that I come off as a neutral. Hence why i put it in quotation.

As for your point, Yaya hasn't publicly disrespected the club. His agent has disrespected Yaya's boss personally. And as punishment, Yaya boss has chosen to take it out on Yaya.

Does Yaya agree with his agent? Probably. But that's neither here nor there. The truth is we don't need Yaya anymore. He knows this, and so does his agent. So Yaya is simply not going to back a club who doesn't need him over his agent who has been with him through thick and thin.

Now if rumors in the summer were to be believed, Yaya and his agent were hoping City would let him go on a free so they could make money on their signing bonus ( I.e. what they might have lost on the final year if Yaya's now bloated contract here.) Apparently the club balked at that.

So they (Yaya and Seluk) did the math, and figured sit till January and you can sign a free deal then. In the incoherent interview Seluk gave you could hear him talk about it. Saying you can't bully those who know the rules. In his Guardian response, read the last paragraph he was quoted as saying "if City wants to pay Yaya to sit and put his feet up, it's their prerogative."

This is not a guy who is clueless and confused as most would like to believe. They've gone through all the likely scenarios and concluded this is their best route.

His constant yapping to the press helps no ome. Not Yaya or City, and Yaya should tell him to cut it out. I agree. But their plans are in Yaya's best financial interest.

 

[SWP's back]

I am a proponent of the former, you are not unprofessional for trying to work a better deal for yourself

You're the only one (possibly in the world outside the Seluk household) thinking Seluk's stance is benefiting Yaya.

 

[Dax777]

If Yaya valued his career which he clearly doesn't then he would do what's best for him, not let City and Seluk battle it out, he'd man up grow a pair and face the media shit storm that his agent has started (yet again) and say in his honest opinion what he want's... but instead he cowers behind his agent and lets all this bullshit spiral out of control!

This could have all been avoided from the very beginning if Yaya had spoken to Pep.

We don't know if Yaya and Pep spoke. But if I were to guess, I'd say they did early on and Pep let him know he wouldn't get much playing time in his core team. My sense is knowing this Yaya and Seluk tried to get City to release him so they make the money on the transfer to makeup for what Yaya will lose in salary for moving. City probably balked at that suggestion.

So Yaya and Seluk decided the best course of action is to stay till January when they can sign a free deal.

So in reality, I agree he should tell his agent to keep quiet and just stick to their plan. But either way, none of this will affect his eventual move. His next move is an end of career move. So none of these wranglings will matter. Unfortunately, Seluk feels the need to show a big dick, and Pep has been drawn into a pissing contest unfortunately.

Like I said, Pep has given a nobody agent clout by responding to his bleating.

 

[2sheikhs]

Yaya hasn't publicly disrespected the club???
How many times does it have to be reiterated that when asked, he's said that seluk speaks for him?
You're confusing fact with opinion. A fact always wins against an opinion Dax.

 

[Dax777]

You're the only one (possibly in the world outside the Seluk household) thinking Seluk's stance is benefiting Yaya.

Again you continue to show an acute inability to follow simple arguments. I'm beginning to worry this is not a rouse on your part :? Please quote where I have said Seluk actions benefit Yaya.

Don't explain, just go to what words in any of my post made you conclude that and quote those words.

 

[SWP's back]

Yaya hasn't publicly disrespected the club???
How many times does it have to be reiterated that when asked, he's said that seluk speaks for him?
You're confusing fact with opinion. A fact always wins against an opinion Dax.

Exactly.

Pep has nailed them both.

 

[SWP's back]

Again you continue to show an acute inability to follow simple arguments. I'm beginning to worry this is not a rouse on your part :? Please quote where I have said Seluk actions benefit Yaya.

Don't explain, just go to what words in any of my post made you conclude that and quote those words.

Well you seem to think that this stance is trying to get a better deal for Yaya

you are not unprofessional for trying to work a better deal for yourself

Oh and Dax you also said this

"Seeing as most want Yaya gone, and his agent is doing his damnedest to get him a deal somewhere else. I think he and those who want Yaya gone are actually on the same side."

So you don't think he's trying to help Yaya by mouthing off?

 

[SWP's back]

And you played it down with your knowledge when he first spouted off @Dax777

"It probably does neither. Agents slagbodf top team managers all the time, it's irrelevant."

Doesn't seem irrelevant now does it.