Joe Hart (joined Torino on season long loan - Official)

[Bill]

pretty obvious that joe is a better keeper. as for juggling bravo shades it.

 

[blinkblue]

pretty obvious that joe is a better keeper. as for juggling bravo shades it.

How is that obvious in any way? All empirical eveidence points towards Bravo. Only sentiment could lead to the view that Hart is definitely better in my opinion. Or not seeing enough of Bravo.

 

[eversince 76]

Great. We now have two topics totally overlapping about a goalkeeper who is out on loan and a goalkeeper who has only had a handful of games so far.

And the big question coming up after either one of the two finish a game is who of the two is the better goalkeeper. While the question should be if the goalkeeper that actually plays for us right now suits the system the manager wants his team to play in due time.

Honestly. Two topics filled with sentiment and opinions from 12 year olds as to who is the better of the two. As if that bloody matters.

 

[Bill]

How is that obvious in any way? All empirical eveidence points towards Bravo. Only sentiment could lead to the view that Hart is definitely better in my opinion. Or not seeing enough of Bravo.

had bravo been in the England goal it would have been 4-0......at least.

 

[mancity dan]

had bravo been in the England goal it would have been 4-0......at least.

Pretty difficult considering they only had 3 shots on target ;)

 

[kupest]

had bravo been in the England goal it would have been 4-0......at least.

And you know that how? You could put Willy in there and you can't predict the score. Every goalkeeper is capable of pulling off worldies.

I could point out so many goals and just said Bravo would have saved it and vice versa. Point is, Bravo is not a muppet, he was pretty well renowned as a great GK (bar his footballing skills) before he came here and except the Rag error I am to see anything to suggest otherwise Bill.

 

[its a Barm]

you trust Pep or you dont, please make your mind up poeple, i will go first i trust Pep.

 

[andyhinch]

had bravo been in the England goal it would have been 4-0......at least.

If I wanted to be contarary which you know I'm not, I could say if Bravo had played, we'd have played out of the back better and won 4-0 at least

 

[Bill]

Pretty difficult considering they only had 3 shots on target ;)

he would have gifted them 2 tap ins by dallying :)

 

[lastmanback]

Quick over to the bravo thread

 

[Ric]

Yeah, let's keep this thread on topic. It's about Joe Hart, not Claudio Bravo.

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

Anybody think Hart will play against Everton ?

 

[macmanson]

According to statistics site WhoScored, Hart made 30 passes against Slovenia with a success rate of 86.7 per cent - only four clearances went astray. He played 11 long balls, seven accurately to a team-mate, and on the 19 other occasions when he had the ball at his feet, hit an accurate short pass to a team-mate.

Hart's performance for England is statistically comparable to Bravo for Man City. In the team's 2-0 defeat to Tottenham Hotspur on 2 October, WhoScored says, Bravo made 44 passes, 16 of them long, with a 75 per cent accuracy rate. The 11 passes he missed were all long balls.

Meanwhile, in the Champions League game against Celtic at the end of September, when City were clearly rattled by the intensity of the Glasgow side, Bravo retreated into his box and according to WhoScored, made only 22 passes. Half of those were long clearances and although he completed all 11 of the short passes he made, the Chilean missed more than half of his long balls to finish with a completion rate of 73 per cent.

Not a knock on either keeper, but it's become quite clear that Joe never had any shot of being the keeper here whether he could improve his passing play or not. The decision to move him on was made long before Pep ever saw him in person.

 

[Gordyola]

According to statistics site WhoScored, Hart made 30 passes against Slovenia with a success rate of 86.7 per cent - only four clearances went astray. He played 11 long balls, seven accurately to a team-mate, and on the 19 other occasions when he had the ball at his feet, hit an accurate short pass to a team-mate.

Hart's performance for England is statistically comparable to Bravo for Man City. In the team's 2-0 defeat to Tottenham Hotspur on 2 October, WhoScored says, Bravo made 44 passes, 16 of them long, with a 75 per cent accuracy rate. The 11 passes he missed were all long balls.

Meanwhile, in the Champions League game against Celtic at the end of September, when City were clearly rattled by the intensity of the Glasgow side, Bravo retreated into his box and according to WhoScored, made only 22 passes. Half of those were long clearances and although he completed all 11 of the short passes he made, the Chilean missed more than half of his long balls to finish with a completion rate of 73 per cent.

Not a knock on either keeper, but it's become quite clear that Joe never had any shot of being the keeper here whether he could improve his passing play or not. The decision to move him on was made long before Pep ever saw him in person.

Didn't see the England game so a genuine question were Slovenia pressing high up the pitch and targeting Hart like Celtic and Spuds?

 

[canyerdogputoutafire]

Didn't see the England game so a genuine question were Slovenia pressing high up the pitch and targeting Hart like Celtic and Spuds?

Yes.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

but it's become quite clear that Joe never had any shot of being the keeper here whether he could improve his passing play or not. The decision to move him on was made long before Pep ever saw him in person.

That might or might not be right. I've said on here that based on stuff I've heard (and others have independently) Pep's arrival might have been a smokescreen and the club wanted him out anyway. Or he might have had a chance to impress Pep but conspicuously failed to take it.

 

[Kazzydeyna]

Hart should have been marched out the door with his belongings in a cardboard box the minute he gave it the big'un against Mancini.

That he wasn't probably cost us the chance to develop a dynasty.

Average keeper as evidenced by the queue of top clubs clamouring to sign him in the summer window.

 

[mosssideblue]

According to statistics site WhoScored, Hart made 30 passes against Slovenia with a success rate of 86.7 per cent - only four clearances went astray. He played 11 long balls, seven accurately to a team-mate, and on the 19 other occasions when he had the ball at his feet, hit an accurate short pass to a team-mate.

Hart's performance for England is statistically comparable to Bravo for Man City. In the team's 2-0 defeat to Tottenham Hotspur on 2 October, WhoScored says, Bravo made 44 passes, 16 of them long, with a 75 per cent accuracy rate. The 11 passes he missed were all long balls.

Meanwhile, in the Champions League game against Celtic at the end of September, when City were clearly rattled by the intensity of the Glasgow side, Bravo retreated into his box and according to WhoScored, made only 22 passes. Half of those were long clearances and although he completed all 11 of the short passes he made, the Chilean missed more than half of his long balls to finish with a completion rate of 73 per cent.

Not a knock on either keeper, but it's become quite clear that Joe never had any shot of being the keeper here whether he could improve his passing play or not. The decision to move him on was made long before Pep ever saw him in person.

Quite clear to you maybe.

 

[Rolee]

Hart should have been marched out the door with his belongings in a cardboard box the minute he gave it the big'un against Mancini.

That he wasn't probably cost us the chance to develop a dynasty.

Average keeper as evidenced by the queue of top clubs clamouring to sign him in the summer window.

What was "the big'un"?

 

[BlueTG]

Hart should have been marched out the door with his belongings in a cardboard box the minute he gave it the big'un against Mancini.

That he wasn't probably cost us the chance to develop a dynasty.

Average keeper as evidenced by the queue of top clubs clamouring to sign him in the summer window.

It was Mancini himself that prevented himself developing a dynasty.