9/11 documentary now

[west didsblue]

So basically, we're expected to assume that metallurgists and chemists that are teaching in universities are either lying or completely wrong when they say that the dust samples contained high levels of thermite. That structural engineers that also give lectures in seats of learning insist that the official version that one corner support pillar weakening would cause a building to go into freefall on it's own footprint is nonsense are also wrong?
It would be career suicide.
A politician, a government agent or a head of a company wouldn't be subjected to the same consequences
Especially if they had assurances that they'd never have to prove their case in a public court of law. Nobody, however high profile they are, despite all the accusations they've made, has been prosecuted. A court has to be presented with evidence for and against. For some reason, they don't have an appetite for that.

Did you bother watching the video posted by jay_mcfc or do you just stick to ones that reinforce your own convictions?

As there is nothing that will convince you or any of the other "truthers" on here that you might be wrong, I'm out.

 

[2sheikhs]

Yes, that was one of the first documentaries I saw which is why I was convinced that there was no funny business. I've since seen other documentaries that discredit what it says.
I've seen claim and counter claim, theories proved and disproved from both sides. That's why I think there should be a public investigation with both sides present at the same time.

 

[jay_mcfc]

So basically, we're expected to assume that metallurgists and chemists that are teaching in universities are either lying or completely wrong when they say that the dust samples contained high levels of thermite. That structural engineers that also give lectures in seats of learning insist that the official version that one corner support pillar weakening would cause a building to go into freefall on it's own footprint is nonsense are also wrong?
It would be career suicide.
A politician, a government agent or a head of a company wouldn't be subjected to the same consequences
Especially if they had assurances that they'd never have to prove their case in a public court of law. Nobody, however high profile they are, despite all the accusations they've made, has been prosecuted. A court has to be presented with evidence for and against. For some reason, they don't have an appetite for that.

You're just repeating yourself ad nauseam now regardless of what people say to you.

Open your mind, forget everything you've ever heard or read about 9/11 and watch that video. If you're still completely certain that it was pulled then good on you. But to just close your mind completely makes you the same as the sheep you profess to have pity for.

 

[Manchester_lalala]

WTC 7 is the elephant in the room in all of this but for those that are convinced it was a demolition job, watch a video on YouTube about debunking WTC 7. It's pretty convincing that it may not have been a demolition. Basically, conspiracies only ever show the building from the north and west side where it looks like it's in a relatively good condition. However, the South side, where the damage was caused from the collapse of the towers, was a mess. There was one corner where the damage affected about 20 floors and when you see it you will understand why it collapsed. Also, the building was a much more open structure without the steel beams running through the inside of the building, hence the collapsing within itself.

In terms of the fire, again it looks a lot worse from the south side and it was blazing for 7/8 hours quite high up in the building. On the debunk video there are videos and photos that show just how bad the fire was.

I had suspicions over 9/11 due to wtc 7's collapse. Firmly puts the conspiracy theories to bed after watching that. I was always under the impression it collapse due to a fire, not huge structural damage and a fire. Like the video says, you only see pictures of the north side of wtc 7.

 

[blueonblue]

Names named, fingers pointed, make your own mind up if you can swallow so many "Coincidences" and connections.

 

[Manchester_lalala]

Names named, fingers pointed, make your own mind up if you can swallow so many "Coincidences" and connections.

Do you really believe everything said on that video? It's a load of bollocks to me, should of switched it off after five minutes.

 

[blueonblue]

Your entitled to your opinion, but its all open to be confirmed or disproved rather than dismissed as "A load of bollocks".

 

[Manchester_lalala]

Your entitled to your opinion, but its all open to be confirmed or disproved rather than dismissed as "A load of bollocks".

As your entitled to your own opinion too. I just don't see any credible evidence to convince me 9/11 was organised by the US government. I don't mind debating it, I actually enjoy reading other people's views. I'm actually surprised I haven't seen that video jay posted today about the wtc 7 collapse. That was the only doubt in my mind regarding that day. I have always thought how anyone got a shit load explosives rigged up in both towers and wtc 7 without being caught in the act. Ive got no doubt that explosives weren't used on 9/11.

 

[Jim Tolmie's Underpants]

In terms of the fire, again it looks a lot worse from the south side and it was blazing for 7/8 hours quite high up in the building. On the debunk video there are videos and photos that show just how bad the fire was.

As bad as this?

Address Hotel, Dubai. It didn't collapse.

The Beijing Mandarin Oriental Hotel Fire. It didn't collapse.

After:

Let's compare with a shot of Building 7 in your video:

That video debunks NOTHING.

Never in human history had a skyscraper of any kind fell due to fire - until THREE of them just happened to fall on the very same day.

 

[@BluePhil8]

Never in human history had a skyscraper of any kind fell due to fire - until THREE of them just happened to fall on the very same day.

I mean, that's disingenuous. It wasn't just "a fire", a Boeing 767 hit both the fucking buildings!

 

[Jim Tolmie's Underpants]

I mean, that's disingenuous. It wasn't just "a fire", a Boeing 767 hit both the fucking buildings!

The South Tower remained standing for 56 minutes after the plane hit and the North Tower for 102 minutes. Since neither tower collapsed till well after the plane impacts, it's clear that the collapses must have been the result of something other than structural damage.

 

[Manchester_lalala]

The South Tower remained standing for 56 minutes after the plane hit and the North Tower for 102 minutes. Since neither tower collapsed till well after the plane impacts, it's clear that the collapses must have been the result of something other than structural damage.

The cause was structural damage and a fire that followed it.

 

[west didsblue]

That video debunks NOTHING.

Never in human history had a skyscraper of any kind fell due to fire - until THREE of them just happened to fall on the very same day.

A few quite significant differences.

Neither the Address Hotel or the Beijing Television Cultural Center (the building containing the Mandarin Oriental Hotel) sustained serious structural damage by being hit by a large passenger aircraft or by a large part of an adjacent building prior to the fires.

Secondly both these buildings were a predominantly concrete construction which is more resistant to fire.
https://structurae.net/structures/the-address-downtown-dubai

The building, along with the CCTV Headquarters Building, was built using far less steel than conventional skyscrapers

Thirdly, the fire brigades of Dubai and Beijing fought those fires.

Finally, these fires were mostly at the outer surface of the buildings unlike the fires at the WTC which were at the core of the buildings.

 

[blueonblue]

As your entitled to your own opinion too. I just don't see any credible evidence to convince me 9/11 was organised by the US government. I don't mind debating it,

Its more a question of the evidence that has been presented is not credible, after thousands of people died its beyond belief that there are so many questions not answered.
The video I put up shows far to many connections between people who either made or did not lose vast amounts of money (Trillions not just billions) to be a mere coincidence, this is on top of any funny business with the physical events of that day that did or did not occur.

 

[west didsblue]

Its more a question of the evidence that has been presented is not credible, after thousands of people died its beyond belief that there are so many questions not answered.
The video I put up shows far to many connections between people who either made or did not lose vast amounts of money (Trillions not just billions) to be a mere coincidence, this is on top of any funny business with the physical events of that day that did or did not occur.

I foolishly watched some of that video and it's so full of holes and irrelevant content that it's difficult to know where to start commenting on it. It would also be a total waste of time as the likes of yourself and the other "truthers" just change the subject or ignore it whenever their claims are proved wrong.

 

[Dubai Blue]

Never in human history had a skyscraper of any kind fell due to fire - until THREE of them just happened to fall on the very same day.

The Address Hotel fire has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion; it was a cladding fire and bears no similarities to WTC 7 whatsoever.

 

[abu13]

I love this thread, i have my own opinions on what happened that day and the more i read about it the less and less i am convinced that i can sway anyones opinion either way.

This seems to be one of them cases where people seem to sit firmly on one side of the fence or the other.

Kudos to everyone who keeps on fighting there corner, i gave up a while ago. :)

 

[blueonblue]

I foolishly watched some of that video and it's so full of holes and irrelevant content that it's difficult to know where to start commenting on it. It would also be a total waste of time as the likes of yourself and the other "truthers" just change the subject or ignore it whenever their claims are proved wrong.

Why does my being skeptical of an official story that is also full of holes make me a "truther" ?, large parts of that story simply do not stand up as fact.
you watched some of the video and claim its full of irrelevant content an to a point your right, what difference does it make that the name Bush is linked so many different ways to this one event, or that certain company's seem to recur over and over with connections that while on the face of it mean little but add up to a f*cking lot of coincidence.
My only claim is that somethings do not stand up to any kind of scrutiny without the wiff of fish.

 

[west didsblue]

Why does my being skeptical of an official story that is also full of holes make me a "truther" ?, large parts of that story simply do not stand up as fact.
you watched some of the video and claim its full of irrelevant content an to a point your right, what difference does it make that the name Bush is linked so many different ways to this one event, or that certain company's seem to recur over and over with connections that while on the face of it mean little but add up to a f*cking lot of coincidence.
My only claim is that somethings do not stand up to any kind of scrutiny without the wiff of fish.

The event has been investigated in great detail and the account of what happened that day is not full of holes. All the legitimate and most of the stupid questions that have been raised have been answered and the reports have been updated as more information has become available. Try googling "truther" and you'll find that the definition is

a person who doubts the generally accepted account of an event, believing that an official conspiracy exists to conceal the true explanation; a conspiracy theorist.

Are you denying that?

 

[mcfcphil]

I love this thread, i have my own opinions on what happened that day and the more i read about it the less and less i am convinced that i can sway anyones opinion either way.

This seems to be one of them cases where people seem to sit firmly on one side of the fence or the other.

Kudos to everyone who keeps on fighting there corner, i gave up a while ago. :)

It was Quinn who said stupendous.