Sergio Aguero - 2016/17 performances

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domalino said:
This list is such a hilariously bad appraisal of how good the players are at pressing I'm actually wondering if you watch games at all.

De Bruyne is unquestionably our best presser, both in terms of intensity, and his decisions of when and who to press. He is the player that completely leads the defensive effort and Pep said as much after the Bournemouth game. The reason he gets tired is because, like Lallana at Liverpool, he leads the press and never stops sprinting to close people down. That's also why he runs further than anyone else on the team.

The fact that you think Aguero, who Guardiola has frequently said he want more from off the ball, is better at pressing than De Bruyne is like writing "I don't have a clue" across your forehead in giant red marker.
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SWP's back said:
No.



I don't think you understand what merit means. He can score goals but he doesn't help dominate possession and press. So on those merits, whilst he hadn't" done anything wrong", he wasn't selected.
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You are so much better at explaining things :)
 
Terra Passenger said:
I can't argue with much of this... it's a matter of opinion after all.

It just seems to me that Kun get's pissed off if he does't get the ball. Then he starts walking around the pitch. Not challenging the central backs. And soon after, Kun is moving far back up field to receive the ball - it's this, IMO (could be wrong) - that's got Pep so frustrated.

I think that Kun should stay far forward and try to move the centerbacks out of possition; and when the ball turns over, he should immeidately press/shaodow press - lately, that isn't happening.
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Its a difficult one with Kun as I personally don't want him dropping deep to receive the ball...I want him on the shoulder of the last defender, but this clearly isn't what Pep wants. To me Kun is at his most dangerous when in those positions but I can see why Pep wants him more involved in our build up...but I also think that isn't what Kun is best at....People over the years have very wrongly (imho) compared him to Tevez.....there are a few similarities but Tevez is the player that Pep would ideally want out of the two as he was better in build up play than Kun is (a better footballer if you wish to describe it that way)......Tevez was more of a fighter/scrapper as well and wild press and a better more ferocious tackler/battler for thee ball..he was a lot more aggressive than sergio.....

I think sergio can add to his gam win the way Pep wants but I actually think it makes him less effective at what he does best.
 
domalino said:
Its clear that Pep doesn't share the view that clearing it should be the first priority in that situation. In his press conference yesterday he even refused to say Bravo made the wrong choice - he said he miskicked it, but that he wouldn't say trying to pass in that situation was wrong.

It's not a premiership thing though - Barcelona aren't a premiership team, nor are Celtic who forced similar mistakes (although less costly). We're seeing a lot of, "it might work in Spain and Germany but not over here in Ingurland" stuff in the press recently and it's rubbish. In Germany and Spain there are a lot more teams who will hound a goalkeeper in the way Spurs did - it's nothing he's not dealt with before. In fact in time we'll be laughing when teams try to press us - it's what Pep wants.
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All of this.
 
quiet_riot said:
If only it were true of those sending me abusive PMs because I have expressed that I don't love Pep.
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Seriously, you get abusive PMs? I have absolutely no idea why people do that.
 
Dax777 said:
I think your assessment of Kun's pressing is off. But it's not just his pressing, it's also his ability to follow instructions.

I think he more so than any other player is inclined to do what he wants as opposed to what is being asked.

Also I think you grossly underestimate Silva's press. He is not a natural, but he buys into Pep's philosophy hook line and sinker.

Press wise I'd rank them as follows
Dihno
DeBryune
Nolito
Sterling
Silva
Gundogan
Aguero.

Gundogan's I excuse due to him just getting acclimated. But Aguero is by a good margin the weakest.
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The reason I've dropped KDB down my list is that his stamina isn't there. In the 2nd half of games especially, maybe 10 minutes or so after kick off, his high press stops. We tend to let the opposition get the ball and defend traditionally at this point.

And Kun was up my list more for potential; when he wants to, Kun presses really well. But he seems to do his own thing far too often as you've said.
 
Wretched Vengeance said:
I agree, he will stay as he is somewhat priceless and ours.

Probably needs to up his work rate, mind.

Maybe a little less selfish from time to time also...
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again i think you are misinterpreting work rate for pressing.........sergios work rate is very good.....runs channels, battles for possession (getting kicked to high heaven int he process) , great movement off the ball and works hard to regain possession when he loses it and always chases the man back into disown half.

what he isn't so good at is pressing the player front on...I just don't think he is very confident at it. His approach to a player when trying to tackle/press from infront of the man with the ball just looks awkward and unbalanced (which is unusual for a player with a good low centre of balance).

Agree on the selfish bit (though Im not sure its selfishness, I think its just trying to do to much instead of making the quicker pass)
 
simon23 said:
again i think you are misinterpreting work rate for pressing.........sergios work rate is very good.....runs channels, battles for possession (getting kicked to high heaven int he process) , great movement off the ball and works hard to regain possession when he loses it and always chases the man back into disown half.

what he isn't so good at is pressing the player front on...I just don't think he is very confident at it. His approach to a player when trying to tackle/press from infront of the man with the ball just looks awkward and unbalanced (which is unusual for a player with a good low centre of balance).

Agree on the selfish bit (though Im not sure its selfishness, I think its just trying to do to much instead of making the quicker pass)
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Again???? lol I don't think you and I have ever had something that may require 'misinterpreting' lol

Anyway, I digress. Aguero is a special player but not without his faults.

I have been saying to my brother of late that he (Kun) doesn't seem right.

I personally feel something isn't right about his game currently.
 
Wretched Vengeance said:
Again???? lol I don't think you and I have ever had something that may require 'misinterpreting' lol

Anyway, I digress. Aguero is a special player but not without his faults.

I have been saying to my brother of late that he (Kun) doesn't seem right.

I personally feel something isn't right about his game currently.
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sorry the again wasn't aimed at you personally...it was based on previous posts from other people on the same subject......sorry
 
Wretched Vengeance said:
Again???? lol I don't think you and I have ever had something that may require 'misinterpreting' lol

Anyway, I digress. Aguero is a special player but not without his faults.

I have been saying to my brother of late that he (Kun) doesn't seem right.

I personally feel something isn't right about his game currently.
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i think there has been an injury niggle for certain....maybe a it of a shake in confindece as well from when he went away on international duty....weve seen this before with fun....especially after international duty
 
simon23 said:
i think there has been an injury niggle for certain....maybe a it of a shake in confindece as well from when he went away on international duty....weve seen this before with fun....especially after international duty
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I agree with that, mate.

Hope he starts tomorrow and puts in a performance.

He still owes Southampton one (a couple of seasons ago) after that booking he got down there when it shouda been a pen!
 
Sergio is the best goal scorer in the team.
if he get dropped because he can't press, that's a big mistake from Pep.
KDB is not a striker, not a false 9 type either.
he can't beat player one on one. he's a better passer than finisher.
watch how KDB playing effectively, when he has someone to pass to.
and compare this to Barca game. he look clueless when he got the ball.
he can't make decisive final pass because no one in front of him.
sideways and back passing with intention to keep possession are pointless.
when they unable create clear chance and score goal. and that's Sergio job.
Pep need to be flexible on his approach.
wait for 2/3 transfer window and get his own player if he want to enforce his system.
 
capiloton said:
Sergio is the best goal scorer in the team.
if he get dropped because he can't press, that's a big mistake from Pep.
KDB is not a striker, not a false 9 type either.
he can't beat player one on one. he's a better passer than finisher.
watch how KDB playing effectively, when he has someone to pass to.
and compare this to Barca game. he look clueless when he got the ball.
he can't make decisive final pass because no one in front of him.
sideways and back passing with intention to keep possession are pointless.
when they unable create clear chance and score goal. and that's Sergio job.
Pep need to be flexible on his approach.
wait for 2/3 transfer window and get his own player if he want to enforce his system.
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Fortunately for handwringers such as yourself, we don't play away at Barca every week in the Prem. Or in the CL for that matter.

Unlike previous managers, Pep has different tactics and set ups for each game. As for "Pep needs to be flexible". Fucking lol. He's the most flexible manager in the league.
 
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