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Wilf Wild 1937 said:
It doesn't always work that way.

If you look at the two EU Referendums we held the young people all voted to stay in in the 1970s. The old gits (same people!) voted out this time round.
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Some maybe be not all, it was a very close result. And if you take the oldest bigots out of the equation, I think there is not enough pressure on poilitical parties for there to have even been a vote in the first place. If a small percentage of old bigots were killed off in the spring, we'd still be in the EU, irrespective of how some of the 70's folk changed.

Many people were put in a position they didn't want to be in & weren't sure which way to go. It would be interesting to see how the same referendum would go today.

Both votes depend on fear of immigration & terrorism.

But ironically, I think the bloke who shoots Trump is likely to be some stupid **** who actually believed he would solve his problems & voted for him on he strength of it.
 
blueonblue said:
So just to get this straight, the liberal and lefties are in a tizzy because the candidate backed and funded by Goldman Sachs has lost despite the media bias and big business interests piling in on her side.

The winner who is supposedly to the right of Genghis Khan did so because the american working classes voted for him.

Funny old world aint it ;0)
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I think it's more that Trump's campaign was built on stirring hatred.

That he's also racist, sexist, mocks the disabled and women have come forward saying he sexually assaulted them.

If someone who represents and champions all of those things can win then what does it say about us?
 
ManCityX said:
I think it's more that Trump's campaign was built on stirring hatred.

That he's also racist, sexist, mocks the disabled and women have come forward saying he sexually assaulted them.

If someone who represents and champions all of those things can win then what does it say about us?
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Also an alleged child rapist according to court papers.
 
Pretty good time to not live in America. They'll go back 30 years in these 4 years in terms of rights for everyone who isn't a wealthy, straight, white christian man. On the plus side, with him actually winning it means the 4 shit years that were almost a certainty to happen anyway with a Republican senate will be on his shoulders instead of the Democrats. The US political system is far too broken for any of the massive changes that the country needs to actually happen
 
Can't stand Trump or his policies (whatever they are) but, as with the EU vote, this result shows that until those in charge start listening to people's fears rather then belittling them & their views then they deserve to be given a kicking at the polls.

I don't have any real fears over immigration, race, security, etc, but it's time to realise that some people genuinely do

Why is this the case??? It's because the difficult debates that need to be had on these matters have been stifled allowing the more extreme members of the public & the media to exploit the situation. It's time to get these matters out into the open and talk about them.

The vast majority of people (right, left, centre) are decent folk who feel as though their voice has not (indeed, will not) be heard. They need to be given the opportunity to express their anxieties without fearing that they are going to criticised for doing so.

So, whilst some people do hold abhorrent views (and changing their minds is probably a losing battle), before calling Trump voters or Brexit voters thick, racist, bigotted etc, perhaps people should be directing their ire towards those in charge who have not allowed an open debate to take place (perhaps they should look at themselves too!), because only by doing this can people be educated on these matters.
 
Cheesy said:
before calling Trump voters or Brexit voters thick, racist, bigotted
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They may not be thick, racist bigots but on the whole those that voted for him were lesser educated, white, homophobes as the exit polls tell us.
 
Cheesy said:
Can't stand Trump or his policies (whatever they are) but, as with the EU vote, this result shows that until those in charge start listening to people's fears rather then belittling them & their views then they deserve to be given a kicking at the polls.

I don't have any real fears over immigration, race, security, etc, but it's time to realise that some people genuinely do

Why is this the case??? It's because the difficult debates that need to be had on these matters have been stifled allowing the more extreme members of the public & the media to exploit the situation. It's time to get these matters out into the open and talk about them.

The vast majority of people (right, left, centre) are decent folk who feel as though their voice has not (indeed, will not) be heard. They need to be given the opportunity to express their anxieties without fearing that they are going to criticised for doing so.

So, whilst some people do hold abhorrent views (and changing their minds is probably a losing battle), before calling Trump voters or Brexit voters thick, racist, bigotted etc, perhaps people should be directing their ire towards those in charge who have not allowed an open debate to take place (perhaps they should look at themselves too!), because only by doing this can people be educated on these matters.
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Cheesy said:
Can't stand Trump or his policies (whatever they are) but, as with the EU vote, this result shows that until those in charge start listening to people's fears rather then belittling them & their views then they deserve to be given a kicking at the polls.

I don't have any real fears over immigration, race, security, etc, but it's time to realise that some people genuinely do

Why is this the case??? It's because the difficult debates that need to be had on these matters have been stifled allowing the more extreme members of the public & the media to exploit the situation. It's time to get these matters out into the open and talk about them.

The vast majority of people (right, left, centre) are decent folk who feel as though their voice has not (indeed, will not) be heard. They need to be given the opportunity to express their anxieties without fearing that they are going to criticised for doing so.

So, whilst some people do hold abhorrent views (and changing their minds is probably a losing battle), before calling Trump voters or Brexit voters thick, racist, bigotted etc, perhaps people should be directing their ire towards those in charge who have not allowed an open debate to take place (perhaps they should look at themselves too!), because only by doing this can people be educated on these matters.
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Correct.

There was a guy on the radio 4 giving a perfect example of globalisation and its effect on the great unforgotten. So people want cheaper cars ok get that but the other effect of globalisation is....

Cars used to be built in flint, Michigan whose people had jobs and money and pride , they also had clean drinkable water.

A few years ago the car factory was shut and moved to Mexico to a town that never had drinking water. Now that town in Mexico has jobs, pride and money and they now have drinkable water.

Meanwhile in flint they do not have drinkable water to pump to the people anymore, never mind jobs.

You don't need a college degree to understand why you might fall for trumps rhetoric given background like this.
 
Cheesy said:
I don't have any real fears over immigration, race, security, etc, but it's time to realise that some people genuinely do

Why is this the case??? It's because the difficult debates that need to be had on these matters have been stifled allowing the more extreme members of the public & the media to exploit the situation. It's time to get these matters out into the open and talk about them.
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Actually I imagine the main reason is an Australian media tycoon keeps telling them to be afraid because it suits his agenda. Take the fear mongering of the gutter press out of the equation and I imagine a lot less people would be so terrified of all these foreigners who are apparently out to get us.
 
It's the utter failure of the political system, the political establishment on both sides of the establishment embraced globalization because on the whole it profited them, they did not give a flying Fcuk about the people it effected more the poor working class voters, so now they are reaping the rewards the message is clear when it is clear that a part of your population is hurting don't ignore them or spin half truths, it's been a revolution for both countries and we are not the last France is next
 
Ducado said:
It's the utter failure of the political system, the political establishment on both sides of the establishment embraced globalization because on the whole it profited them, they did not give a flying Fcuk about the people it effected more the poor working class voters, so now they are reaping the rewards the message is clear when it is clear that a part of your population is hurting don't ignore them or spin half truths, it's been a revolution for both countries and we are not the last France is next
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Béretxit?
 
Ducado said:
It's the utter failure of the political system, the political establishment on both sides of the establishment embraced globalization because on the whole it profited them, they did not give a flying Fcuk about the people it effected more the poor working class voters, so now they are reaping the rewards the message is clear when it is clear that a part of your population is hurting don't ignore them or spin half truths, it's been a revolution for both countries and we are not the last France is next
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All the President of France is interested is his hair I seem to recall, spends £10k on a hairdresser to follow him around to look after his locks.
 
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