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west didsblue said:
Only one winner out of this shambles. Putin has got away with interfering with the US election. His biggest fan is taking over on 20 Jan and no one can do a thing about it. After 8 years in power and a solid economy, low unemployment and affordable health care for all, Obama will only be remembered for having the piss taken out of him by Putin and his ferret haired lapdog. Putin now has a licence to do whatever the fuck he wants.
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I agree and think that is a good post. I wouldnt say he has a licence to do that, there is an international community after all who will (hopefully) do more to regulate this after Trump is in power. For now, they are biding time because it is lame duck territory for all. But Obama was absolutely right to make a visible stand against it. We all know the whole thing was a farce, and that should not stand.
 
For the advanced tech savvy on here - how likely is it that the USA could prove (or even provide evidence of) Russia's involvement in the hacking they are attributing to them? Just heard on news a spokeswoman for whoever in the US saying that "it was very clear from day one that this was Russia."

This is from the same news segment saying Russian hackers used other people's servers to conduct the attacks. It very well might have been Russia but all this coming out of the US sounds like they want to pin it on Russia regardless of having the evidence or not. Regardless who did it - what evidence could they have on a hacker if it was through someone else's network? Wouldn't that have to be physical evidence (unless I'm misinterpreting this as sat at someone else's network and they meant a proxy). I presume the relevant systems would log IP addresses accessing the network but at the basic level, the hacker would be going through a proxy which could be running numerous if not hundreds of other IP addresses so how would they narrow that down to the culprit?

Unless they're all talking bollocks reporting it as a traditional hack when it could have been infiltrated hacks (i.e. at the system itself, as in whistleblowers).
 
CitizenTID said:
For the advanced tech savvy on here - how likely is it that the USA could prove (or even provide evidence of) Russia's involvement in the hacking they are attributing to them? Just heard on news a spokeswoman for whoever in the US saying that "it was very clear from day one that this was Russia."

This is from the same news segment saying Russian hackers used other people's servers to conduct the attacks. It very well might have been Russia but all this coming out of the US sounds like they want to pin it on Russia regardless of having the evidence or not. Regardless who did it - what evidence could they have on a hacker if it was through someone else's network? Wouldn't that have to be physical evidence (unless I'm misinterpreting this as sat at someone else's network and they meant a proxy). I presume the relevant systems would log IP addresses accessing the network but at the basic level, the hacker would be going through a proxy which could be running numerous if not hundreds of other IP addresses so how would they narrow that down to the culprit?

Unless they're all talking bollocks reporting it as a traditional hack when it could have been infiltrated hacks (i.e. at the system itself, as in whistleblowers).
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There is no evidence.


The DNC wasn't hacked.


One man, John Podesta, had his email account exposed and I'll give you a glimpse at just how blasé this man (and Hillary's campaign in general) was with national security.


John Podesta left his smart phone in the back of a taxi:
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/22279


John Podesta fell for a simple phishing scam email and gave his password to the scammer. If that wasn't comical enough, his IT guy at the DNC then said to him:
"This is a legitimate email. John needs to change his password immediately, and ensure that two-factor authentication is turned on his account."
This proves that the IT guy is a liar, because it wasn't a real email, but this also shows that John Podesta didn't even have 2FA set up on his email account.
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/34899


Hillary's campaign 'loses' a laptop and a thumbdrive:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...ton-emails-laptop-thumb-drive-archive-missing
The unnamed person “told the FBI that, after the transfer was complete, he deleted the emails from the archive laptop but did not wipe the laptop. The laptop was then put in the mail, only to go missing. [Redacted] told the FBI that she never received the laptop from [redacted]; however, she advised that Clinton’s staff was moving offices at the time, and it would have been easy for the package to get lost during the transition period.
“Neither Hanley nor [redacted] could identify the current whereabouts of the archive laptop or thumb drive containing the archive, and the FBI does not have either item in its possession.”



FBI: Hillary's campaign destroyed old Blackberry phones and laptops with a hammer rather than having them wiped:
http://uk.businessinsider.com/how-hillary-clinton-aide-destroyed-phones-2016-9


  • One of Hillary Clinton's aides left classified papers in Beijing hotel in 2010
  • It comes after FBI director James Comey confirmed probe into her emails
  • Clinton aide Huma Abedin also left documents in a car during trip to India
  • In 2013 another Clinton aide left classified information in a Moscow hotel
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...material-unsecured-hotel-room-China-2010.html


And let's not talk about the emails found on Anthony Weiner's private laptop. We all know he's a pedophile so god knows whom he was having contact with online.


The 13 page document released this week is a farce with no evidence at all, just a suggestion that the 'hacks' were in line with Russian policy.


The truth of the matter is that the DNC treated cyber security like a joke and now realising the implications of their actions are trying to push damage on to the Republican party. Everyone can see what's going on except the people who only get there news from Hillary funding news stations like CNN.
 
John Podesta even put his password in an email that was subsequently leaked by wikileaks.

He didn't change the password following the leak and his twitter account was comprised by pol shortly after.

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We're talking about 16 year old kids here having more of a brain than this clown.


But no, it's 'the Russians'.

 
But hey, I'm just a dude on Bluemoon. If you don't want to take my word just look at what independent programmers like John Mcafee are saying.

http://theantiglobalist.com/john-mcafee-i-can-guarantee-you-it-was-not-the-russians/

McAfee argues that the report is a “fallacy,” explaining that hackers can fake their location, their language, and any markers that could lead back to them. Any hacker who had the skills to hack into the DNC would also be able to hide their tracks, he said

“If I was the Chinese and I wanted to make it look like the Russians did it, I would use Russian language within the code, I would use Russian techniques of breaking into the organization,” McAfee said, adding that, in the end, “there simply is no way to assign a source for any attack.”
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@BluePhil8 said:
But hey, I'm just a dude on Bluemoon. If you don't want to take my word just look at what independent programmers like John Mcafee are saying.

http://theantiglobalist.com/john-mcafee-i-can-guarantee-you-it-was-not-the-russians/
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Sorry mate, you seem you have overlooked replying to my earlier question, even though I did answer the question itself, as requested by you.

For the avoidance of doubt, I'll pose it again: what do you think of the content of Trump's recent Tweets in relation to Israel?
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Sorry mate, you seem you have overlooked replying to my earlier question, even though I did answer the question itself, as requested by you.

For the avoidance of doubt, I'll pose it again: what do you think of the content of Trump's recent Tweets in relation to Israel?
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There's no doubt to be had. You're not the master of this thread and I'm not here to speak to you on demand.

I don't wish to speak about Israel or the middle east, which is why I 'overlooked' your question.
 
@BluePhil8 said:
There's no doubt to be had. You're not the master of this thread and I'm not here to speak to you on demand.

I don't wish to speak about Israel or the middle east, which is why I 'overlooked' your question.
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Fair enough (although a polite request isn't a demand).

I'm not the master of this or any other thread, but I'd never refuse to answer such a question (which is clearly relevant to this thread) as I believe my views are intellectually honest and stand up to scrutiny.

Your lack of response isn't entirely unexpected. I expect you've not answered it because you can't, rather than won't.
 
Uncle Wally One Ball said:
I agree and think that is a good post. I wouldnt say he has a licence to do that, there is an international community after all who will (hopefully) do more to regulate this after Trump is in power. For now, they are biding time because it is lame duck territory for all. But Obama was absolutely right to make a visible stand against it. We all know the whole thing was a farce, and that should not stand.
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The "international community" is toothless without US backup. Russia can effectively do what it wants in its former sphere of influence by stage managing crises to give it a pretext to act. The only thing I'm not sure of is whether Trump is just acting dumb when it comes to Russian intentions or he really is as dumb as he seems.
 
I dont like him or trust him but you have to grudgingly give him some credit and kind of admire the way he has played these last few days.

He promised a different way and an end to the career politicians and their bullshit and he hasn't disappointed so far and thats before he starts the job lol.

Who needs teams of diplomats when you have twitter pmsl?
 
@BluePhil8 said:
But hey, I'm just a dude on Bluemoon. If you don't want to take my word just look at what independent programmers like John Mcafee are saying.

http://theantiglobalist.com/john-mcafee-i-can-guarantee-you-it-was-not-the-russians/
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Thanks for all that Phil, certainly the insight i was looking for as i didn't think any "state sponsored" hacker at that level would leave tracks leading back to them.

The only area of vulnerability on the hackers part I see there - if using the example of the Chinese using Russian language, wouldn't the hacker have to know how to speak the Russian language to the required level rather than using a translator for example? I'm not aware of any translator that is 100% accurate with paragraphs of text and even if it was almost completely accurate, someone like the CIA investigating the hack could surely realise those few grammatical discrepancies suggest the hacker isn't a native Russian, or fluent in the language. Though I think you could only conclude from that, that the hacker wasn't Russian, rather than any indication of the nationality of the hacker. The hacker could of course work with a translator but that would seem too inconvenient to be worthwhile.
 
west didsblue said:
The "international community" is toothless without US backup. Russia can effectively do what it wants in its former sphere of influence by stage managing crises to give it a pretext to act. The only thing I'm not sure of is whether Trump is just acting dumb when it comes to Russian intentions or he really is as dumb as he seems.
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What do you think Russia's intentions are? Dismantling former Soviet state ties with the EU/NATO? Wouldn't that be a natural interest to them since the balance of power seems to be heavily in favour of NATO and why they've turned to strengthening Chinese relations, whose support can't necessarily be counted on if war were to occur?

It's a natural interest of course for the West to prevent another "Soviet union," but from Russia's perspective, they're probably going too far for comfort.
 
CitizenTID said:
What do you think Russia's intentions are? Dismantling former Soviet state ties with the EU/NATO? Wouldn't that be a natural interest to them since the balance of power seems to be heavily in favour of NATO and why they've turned to strengthening Chinese relations, whose support can't necessarily be counted on if war were to occur?

It's a natural interest of course for the West to prevent another "Soviet union," but from Russia's perspective, they're probably going too far for comfort.
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Worth a read
http://europe.newsweek.com/donald-t...ary-clinton-united-states-europe-516895?rm=eu
 
arfurclue said:
interesting, thanks. I find it curious that those who don't agree that Trump is a fountain of truth can end up being labelled 'lefties' yet
it would seen that Trump is the 'favoured choice' of Putin - a man who was quoted as saying “I liked Communist and socialist
ideas very much and I like them still.”
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Hypocrisy, contradiction, lies, confusion and cognitive dissonance are VIRTUES in the new American political order. They aren't to be criticized as flaws -- they are "negotiating tools" that will help "make America great again." Trump's supporters are just taking his tactics to heart is all.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
Hypocrisy, contradiction, lies, confusion and cognitive dissonance are VIRTUES in the new American political order. They aren't to be criticized as flaws -- they are "negotiating tools" that will help "make America great again." Trump's supporters are just taking his tactics to heart is all.
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yes...and it is all about sealing the deal with disregards to truth...and, now trump has sealed the deal of being president, would it really be that much of a surprise
if he didn't deliver on much of what he promised?
 
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