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Can you please quote whoever said that this is the overnight reaction to a tweet?
Companies have had many, many months since Donald won the Primaries to plan for a Trump administration.
The CEO himself has said it in black and white. Pro-business climate/the policies that Trump and the new Congress have indicated they will pursue were vital to the company’s decision. Who's saying anything about making this decision on a tweet?
First it was 'there are no jobs all the thicko racists who voted for him will soon find out' now he's actually doing what he said he would do and it's just an ego stroking contest apparently. 700 jobs, fantastic for the people of Michigan.
FogBlueInSanFran
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Correct. He didn't make the decision based on a tweet.
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/03/ford...mexico-plant-was-market-demand-not-trump.html
No reason to build a plant for a product for which demand is declining.
The truck product has always been planned for the excess Michigan capacity (not mentioned specifically here; obvious now).
http://www.freep.com/story/money/ca...es-back-trump-zero-jobs-lost-mexico/90424974/
Great PR for Ford, great PR for Trump. Let Trump take credit for keeping jobs that weren't leaving anyway and Ford makes a rational economic decision but let's them bury the hatchet from the earlier feud. Win/win for everyone (except Mexico -- who wasn't going to get the plant anyway once it became clear demand was dropping).
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How are they going to be able to afford this beautiful 'wall' if if keeps taking their jobs away?
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Pay for the Wall
Introduction: The provision of the Patriot Act, Section 326 -the "know your
customer" provision, compelling financial institutions to demand identity
documents before opening accounts or conducting financial transactions is a
fundamental element of the outline below. That section authorized the
executive branch to issue detailed regulations on the subject, found at 31 CFR
130.120-121. It's an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-
10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year
after year. There are several ways to compel Mexico to pay for the wall
including the following:
On day 1 promulgate a "proposed rule" (regulation) amending 31
CFR 130.121 to redefine applicable financial institutions to include
money transfer companies like Western Union, and redefine "account" to
includewire transfers. Also include in the proposed rule a requirement that
no alien may wire money outside of the United States unless the alien
first provides a document establishing his lawful presence in the United
States.
On day 2 Mexico will immediately protest. They receive approximately $24
billion a year in remittances from Mexican nationals working in the United
States. The majority of that amount comes from illegal aliens. It serves as de
facto welfare for poor families in Mexico. There is no significant social safety
net provided by the state in Mexico.
On day 3 tell Mexico that if the Mexican government will contribute the funds
needed to the United States to pay for the wall, the Trump Administration will
not promulgate the final rule, and the regulation will not go into effect.
Trade tariffs, or enforcement of existing trade rules: There is no doubt that
Mexico is engaging in unfair subsidy behavior that has eliminated thousands
of U.S. jobs, and which we are obligated to respond to; the impact of any tariffs
on the price imports will be more than offset by the economic and income
gains of increased production in the United States, in addition to revenue from
any tariffs themselves. Mexico needs access to our markets much more than the reverse, so we have all the leverage and will win the negotiation. By
definition, if you have a large trade deficit with a nation, it means they are
selling far more to you than the reverse - thus they, not you, stand to lose from
enforcing trade rules through tariffs (as has been done to save many U.S.
industries in the past).
Cancelling visas: Immigration is a privilege, not a right. Mexico is totally
dependent on the United States as a release valve for its own poverty - our
approvals of hundreds of thousands of visas to their nationals every year is
one of our greatest leverage points. We also have leverage through business
and tourist visas for important people in the Mexican economy. Keep in mind,
the United States has already taken in 4X more migrants than any other
country on planet earth, producing lower wages and higher unemployment
for our own citizens and recent migrants.
Visa fees: Even a small increase in visa fees would pay for the wall. This
includes fees on border crossing cards, of which more than 1 million are
issued a year. The border-crossing card is also one of the greatest sources of
illegal immigration into the United States, via overstays. Mexico is also the
single largest recipient of U.S. green cards, which confer a path to U.S.
citizenship. Again, we have the leverage so Mexico will back down.
Conclusion: Mexico has taken advantage of us in another way as well: gangs,
drug traffickers and cartels have freely exploited our open borders and
committed vast numbers of crimes inside the United States. The United States
has borne the extraordinary daily cost of this criminal activity, including the
cost of trials and incarcerations. Not to mention the even greater human cost.
We have the moral high ground here, and all the leverage. It is time we use it
in order to Make America Great Again.
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I hope you managed to paste that answer there Phil, I haven't even read it yet but kudos to you
idahoblues
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Ah yes,blackmail has worked for ever
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People are still in denial that the wall will happen. It's going to happen.
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Just curious? Where do you live mate?
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Greater Manchester.
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How old are you ?
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Fair enough, for what it's worth I admire your faith in this man and your composure dealing with some of the abuse you've dealt with.....however
Can you imagine building a wall from dipperville to hull? 130 miles
Coast to coast on the mexican border is almost 2000 miles
Can you imagine building a wall from dipperville to hull? 130 miles
Coast to coast on the mexican border is almost 2000 miles
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That's correct but according to the BBC:
It's a big wall, it's undeniable. But border walls aren't a new thing.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_barrier
Look at the length of some of them!
Indo-Bangladeshi barrier, a 3,406-kilometre (2,116 mi) fence of barbed wire and concrete just under 3 metres high, to prevent smuggling of narcotics.
The China–North Korea border is 1,420 kilometres (880 mi) long.
FogBlueInSanFran
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I'm sorry, there's no other word for this -- that copy and paste about the wall is fucking retarded.
Post sounds like it was written by a United fan -- "we can spend all we want and attract all the best players cuz we're United" without bothering to realize that the other side is going to counteract their strategy.
Can you imagine the outcry from American business when tens of thousands of manufacturing companies with operations in Mexico have local levies raised to pay the $8-10 billion for the wall? Or Americans who own billions of dollars in Mexican property suddenly pay a foreign-ownership tax (see Vancouver, CA right now)? Or transaction fees get levied on bank transfers in the billions and billions of legitimate dollars that get transferred between American and Mexican banks weekly? And what happens when Mexico simply pours $8-10 billion into 1/10th the construction planned due to cost overruns (does that writer know ANYTHING about how construction contracts in Mexico work??) then pleads "no mas" with a hang dog look and empty pockets? How about just emptying Mexican prisons at the border's weakest point and giving the desperadoes a thick wad of American cash? Incidentally, that's exactly what Central Valley of California communities do with the homeless -- give them a few bucks, a one-way bus ticket to San Francisco, and tell them if they show up in their towns again they'll be incarcerated for vagrancy.
All those options are cheaper for Mexico and hurt America.
The wall was always a red herring. Anyone who hasn't figured that out yet has the IQ of dryer lint. Plenty of other issues to have a legitimate discussion about.
Post sounds like it was written by a United fan -- "we can spend all we want and attract all the best players cuz we're United" without bothering to realize that the other side is going to counteract their strategy.
Can you imagine the outcry from American business when tens of thousands of manufacturing companies with operations in Mexico have local levies raised to pay the $8-10 billion for the wall? Or Americans who own billions of dollars in Mexican property suddenly pay a foreign-ownership tax (see Vancouver, CA right now)? Or transaction fees get levied on bank transfers in the billions and billions of legitimate dollars that get transferred between American and Mexican banks weekly? And what happens when Mexico simply pours $8-10 billion into 1/10th the construction planned due to cost overruns (does that writer know ANYTHING about how construction contracts in Mexico work??) then pleads "no mas" with a hang dog look and empty pockets? How about just emptying Mexican prisons at the border's weakest point and giving the desperadoes a thick wad of American cash? Incidentally, that's exactly what Central Valley of California communities do with the homeless -- give them a few bucks, a one-way bus ticket to San Francisco, and tell them if they show up in their towns again they'll be incarcerated for vagrancy.
All those options are cheaper for Mexico and hurt America.
The wall was always a red herring. Anyone who hasn't figured that out yet has the IQ of dryer lint. Plenty of other issues to have a legitimate discussion about.
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Ah well only a babe ! The naivete of youth etc.
Makes your sycophantic man-crush on a reality Tv Business Guy a smidgin less weird certainly. Fair play to you kid you've got an entertaining thread rolling here ...
Makes your sycophantic man-crush on a reality Tv Business Guy a smidgin less weird certainly. Fair play to you kid you've got an entertaining thread rolling here ...
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You didn't read the article did you
When you see in the news that the Chinese have hacked the US or the Russians have, chances are its somebody in the US making it look like they are from that part of the world. A proper hacker would cover their tracks. The media knows nothing about it and over simplifies it all, i would take everything you read about it with a pinch of salt
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No need in that.
They will pay for the wall, but it'll be America that constructs the wall.
It's concerning that what I pasted was written by the Trump administration and has been readily available online since September and yet you don't seem to know who the author is.
The suggestion that you know more about construction contracts in any country than Donald Trump is possibly the most absurd thing ever written on this website.
When the construction starts you will dissappear like a fart in the wind.
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Correct.
Julian Assange has just confirmed in the Hannity interview that John Podesta's password was the word password. I shit you not.
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