Everton v City post match

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Benarbia said:
Spurs won't bend over in the 2nd half like Arsenal did
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Holding onto the 2008 turn around when Nedum scored, I went to bet on City winning at 1-0 down at half time at the 125 (ish?) bookies were closed. Scarred since :)
 
Chippy_boy said:
I think we need to start handing our bans for posts like this.
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On this you and I agree. I know people are upset but no City fan I know would talk this way....

" We will never win a competition with gaurdiola in charge he is too weak it's time to stop this mess while we can still save some face"

Save some face? When was saving face a big deal for blues?
 
SebastianBlue said:
The opening period showed his system, the original formation and tactics, can work in the PL and very well at that. And we actually played well even in the Barca loss. The draws were a mixed bag but largely due to the bedding in that was still taking place. Since then we've been up and down, which is not proof of systemic failure. I suppose in contract to your view, I think its strange to consider a stop-start mid-season period (after half a season in charge) as proof there is no hope for a manager.

I also find it difficult to see anything in this season that would make someone so confident that we have no where to go. I could if we were regularly being played off the park or consistently losing matches. But we are not.

And where has this influencing signings for a year come from? Also, how do you know he got every one of his targets in the summer? And you genuinely believed he could come in, with one transfer window, and have us dominating the league after we all saw how our team was stagnating in many regards over the past two years?

Regarding Conte's work, I agree that he has done very well but I am not sure how you come to the conclusions you have there. Chelsea drastically underperformed last year with a fairly strong squad—in no small part to mismanagement. The narrative that he has come in and overachieved is just a media story designed to play to the Chelsea masses and romantic neutrals (as well as disparage Pep's performance, which is everyone's favourite exercise these days). He also has a much easier schedule, less pressure because of that previous underachievement, and, in my mind, a somewhat complimentary FA (where as I do not think we have received the same assistance in certain situations).

Beyond all that, though, I just think we gain more by supporting him and the team through what was always going to be a difficult transitional period, rather than pulling out the pitchforks.
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Ok, so we looked good at the start, and the system seemed to work (inverted full backs and all that jazz)... and then we change it all! :/ And we become far less convincing. Using a different system which ceryainly doesn't appear to 'work very well in the PL'. Surely to move away from a system that works to one that doesn't isn't a positive thing!?
I havem'y said there is any systemic failure, I just asked how you can be so assured of a positive outcome. And apart from a great home win v barca and an early style that we have since abandoned, there doesn't appear to be anything else. So with no other positives, and no player (except maybe Kolarov) improving or even playing to the levels they have previously, it is hard to see where your confidence comes from.

We might not be getting played off the park, but we are regularly playing against systems which are getting more effective outcomes than the ability levels of the players on the pitch would lead you to expect.

You don't think Pep wanted Sterling and Otamendi and KDB? You don't think the EDS style of play was created based on how Pep would want players to be playing? And he might not have got all his big targets, but you can't blame failure on that, nobody gets everyone they want, your job is to coach what you have and get the best additionsyou can. We've certainly got better players than Everton.

What decisions have the FA been unfair to us in? Aguero deserved banning, so did Fernandinho both times.

And I always support the team, and I wouldn't boo a manager at this stage. Expressing concerns on here is completely different. I want the team to do well, we are not doing well and saying that we're fine is not helping any more than suggesting things that need improving.
 
We wouldn't have been beaten 4-0 if Fernandinho and Gundogan were playing. Very easy to say that but when your transfer strategy has been so poor over three-five years, when you lose two of your star men it has a massive effect.
 
We looked good at the start of the season against shite teams and a Utd team not in tune with Jose.

Once Celtic showed everyone how to beat us the fear factor went. We are still crap against decent opposition and we are far
Too open and defend like statues
 
The perfect fumble said:
On this you and I agree. I know people are upset but no City fan I know would talk this way....

" We will never win a competition with gaurdiola in charge he is too weak it's time to stop this mess while we can still save some face"

Save some face? When was saving face a big deal for blues?
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I have had more skin grafts than they RAF pilots collected in WW2. Saving face? I barely had a face throughout the 60s!
 
Benarbia said:
We looked good at the start of the season against shite teams and a Utd team not in tune with Jose.

Once Celtic showed everyone how to beat us the fear factor went. We are still crap against decent opposition and we are far
Too open and defend like statues
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Sorry to be picky but Celtic didn't beat us
 
Purely and simply we are looking absolutely dog-shite at the moment – and if truth be told, with the exception of a few games, have been since the Spurs defeat.
Early doors we looked fantastic – we had pace, counter-attacked with menace and purpose, and everyone was closing down the opposition when they had the ball to win it back... after the Spurs defeat it all went to pot!!!
We now look fucking clueless going forward, and our inability to defend is highly embarrassing... they had 4 shots on target today 4-fucking-shots, and scored all of them! Fuck knows what Pep saw in Bravo... so he can dribble a bit... whoop-de-doo... i'd rather a keeper that can save the ball first and foremost!!! But even this legendary skill on the ball is fucking suspect with the slightest pressure from the opposition... he may have been ok at Barca, but come on – they could put Stephen Hawking in net most matches and keep a clean sheet!!!
Pep said he doesn't teach defending – well he'd better get someone in who can... fucking sharpish!!!
 
Well sorry to be picky but I technically never said they did. I said they showed teams how to beat us.
 
Defence is still our undoing.
Teams score as soon as they have a pop at goal.
I have always said a good keeper and two centre backs is what's needed and at the moment we have neither of these.
If ever there was a time we needed Kompany this is it. Pray he's back soon.
 
TonyBookEnd said:
Sorry to be picky but Celtic didn't beat us
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The Celtic game is an anomoly – the two games against them were cup finals for them... stoked by the old 'Scotland v England' shite! Fair play to them, they were bang up for it, we didn't know what the fuck was going on... but look at the way they played against Borrusia Monchengladbach and Barca - and the difference in the crowd.
 
Burtonblue said:
Defence is still our undoing.
Teams score as soon as they have a pop at goal.
I have always said a good keeper and two centre backs is what's needed and at the moment we have neither of these.
If ever there was a time we needed Kompany this is it. Pray he's back soon.
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The shots-to-goals ratio against us must be shocking reading... and I would love the old Vinnie back, but sadly I just can't see it - the lad's made of glass!
We a complete new back four and goalie sadly, but if we're honest we're lacking all over the park!
 
teddykgb said:
Fans aren't managers because we're irrational, over reactive, and seldom can see the bigger picture. We beat West Ham and everyone is in love with Zaba's rebirth as a CM and crying for the same tactics in the next match. Then we get thumped by Everton and how could the manager not see that the midfield was too old and why couldn't he change shape to combat them? We aren't good at this and we won't be. I am struggling to cope with Bravo as much as many of you and maybe the manager will need to make a call there, but appeals to what a fan would do in this situation are not going to produce much in the way of a sensible approach to anything. It would be overreactive and incoherent. And even then fans label you the tinkerman and go bananas that if the manager would just play a settled XI everything would be different.

Just look at the increase in quality in all of the managers who have left us and all of the players who have left us. Whenever a player is injured, he improves massively in the eyes of our fans. Now, if we just had Joe, Nasri, and Mangala, everything would be different! Forget that we suffered from all of the same problems last season with those players and that plenty of fans had problems with each of those players in different ways.

It's really, really hard to take a long view after a day like today. But we won't get anywhere as a club overreacting to today either. It is not an exaggeration to say that Pep could lose every match for the rest of the season and he'd still be the most successful manager in world football. As fans, we need to back him, even during a tough spell. This season clearly doesn't seem like it's going to produce what we would have wanted but there's nobody I'd rather have turning the squad over. I keep coming back to this point. The core group here essentially quit on everyone's re-favorite, Mancini. Dressing room unrest, absolutely dire performances that everyone conveniently forgets. We sacked him, brought in Pellegrini. The same exact thing happens. Now, we go and get the undisputed best manager in the game and he suffers the same problems with largely the same group. Can we maybe put to rest the idea that the Managers were the problem? If anything, I have a lot more respect for both Roberto and Pellegrini today because I feel like this season is proving that there really wasn't much they could have done.
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There is something in that but we have had 4 years and 8 transfer windows to sort this out and have utterly failed. The fact we are still hoping for one last hurrah from Toure sums it up. The obsession to be the uk's answer to Barca has cost us dearly. We look a long way off challenging for anything currently as we will have at least 6 players leaving at the end of the season meaning another load of new players to bed in.

We must make sure we "bed in" Sane and Jesus for the rest of this season because we cannot risk those not being up to speed for next season, even if that means we miss out this year.
 
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