Pep's contract situation | 2 year extension confirmed! (pg1817)

[ballinio]

Do you think giving the most successful manager of the last decade a longer contract is good or bad for long term stability?

I wouldn't be handing out extensions to contracts on the evidence so far , no .

 

[Tricky Dickys Right Foot Shot]

As I said people can dislike Hart, I have my doubts on aspects of his game but to dismiss him solely on the clubs that came in for him last minute is illogical.

Hart is a very good keeper, but he's not on terms with the best and even Butland and Forster began to overshadow him.

The problem is that people grow too attached to players (Barry, Yaya, Hart, Kompany, Zaba) because we want a player with that legend status that United have with players. I even found myself wanting Hart to stay in hope that he could break Alan Oakes' appearance record, but they're the wrong reasons wanting a player to stay. When a player starts showing signs of becoming a lesser player than their former selves, then that is when you start looking at replacing them. I would have gladly seen Hart being a second choice keeper but he doesn't want that so you have to respect his decision.

 

[Tom_mcfc]

Hart is a very good keeper, but he's not on terms with the best and even Butland and Forster began to overshadow him.

The problem is that people grow too attached to players (Barry, Yaya, Hart, Kompany, Zaba) because we want a player with that legend status that United have with players. I even found myself wanting Hart to stay in hope that he could break Alan Oakes' appearance record, but they're the wrong reasons wanting a player to stay. When a player starts showing signs of becoming a lesser player than their former selves, then that is when you start looking at replacing them. I would have gladly seen Hart being a second choice keeper but he doesn't want that so you have to respect his decision.

Agreed and that's a lot more sensible than he must be shit because Torino and Sunderland wanted him. I'm not emotionally involved, I was more than happy to replace the keeper if we was improving the position, the fact is he has been replaced by an inferior goalkeeper and is why fans will feel aggrieved and then bring Hart up.

 

[citizen_maine]

Maybe, but if he knew that the board wouldn't sack him regardless of performances and that he didn't have an alternative way of turning things around (he's very much my way or noway, with his tactics) in say a year or 2 time, then if he felt walking away was the only thing saving the club going further back and then admitted to not being able to adapt to the English game, I would see that better than seeing him stay for the remainder of his contract and watching him struggle!

I still very much believe he will sort this out, I'm not saying I want him gone as that would be stupid after only 7 months, but I honestly think if he got to the point where he knew himself he couldn't make this work, then he would walk out the job.

Ah, sorry mate. i thought you were implying he was a quitter and would leave us in the lurch.
I don't think it'll come to it either, but if it did i'd expect an 'honourable' step down with the full but regretted agreement of the hierarchy

 

[Tricky Dickys Right Foot Shot]

Right, so basically bringing a manager in and telling him "listen, we'll let you stay here for a few years but no matter how well you do as soon as our favourite is available you're gone, oh and we'll be signing players we think will suit his style, not yours, after this first window" is backing him? Good luck with that.

I'm sure given in the time of Pellers career he probably was happy he got a chance to manage in the Premier League, you think he would have gotten an opportunity like that elsewhere in the league? Both parties benefited from it in my eyes.
If we hadn't have been certain that Pep was going to be available in 3 years time after the sacking of Mancini then I honestly believe we wouldn't have chosen Pellegrini to begin with.

 

[Jamiblue]

Won ten games on the spin?

Battered Barcelona?

Battered The Shite at Old Trafford?

Outclased Arsenal after going a goal down?

Revitalised the careers of Silva and Yaya?

Got Sterling playing the best football of his life?

Signed the most promising South American teenager in the world which every club in Europe wanted?

Signed Germany's most exciting young player?

Signed one of the best midfielders in the world for £20m

Binned off Wilfried Bony?

But yeh, other than that, what have the Romans ever done for us?

+++++

 

[blue b4 the moon]

Second worse shots to goals ratio in the league. Let me guess every one was a worldie he had no chance with? Pointless wearing gloves, he doesn't use them unless it's to pick it out the net.

Just for a change I'd like to see him have to save a 6 yard poke in like we score. That's doesn't happen due to our high defensive line giving forwards so much space they can shoot from 15 yeards with no pressure.

I'm no major fan but he's up against 1 on 1's every time, although it would be nice to see him pull a worldy safe off or position himself better/make himself bigger etc

 

[BlueS]

Signed on today ;) Can confirm Pep New Deal is underway.

All unemployed people are now eligible for level 1 Manchester City goalkeeper training. (you may lose or be sanctioned if you fail to attend the trial or save a shot)

 

[Tricky Dickys Right Foot Shot]

Agreed and that's a lot more sensible than he must be shit because Torino and Sunderland wanted him. I'm not emotionally involved, I was more than happy to replace the keeper if we was improving the position, the fact is he has been replaced by an inferior goalkeeper and is why fans will feel aggrieved and then bring Hart up.

I don't understand what is going on with Bravo tbh, in 2015 he was in the La Liga team of the season, he was in the team of the tournament twice in a row for the Copa America and also winning the best goalkeeper award.

Now I've heard Bravo is 6ft tall which is the same height as Vorm and Lloris and he looks much smaller than those 2, he doesn't seem to have much aerial ability in him even though I use to seem him claw free kicks and headers away when playing in goal for Barca....

Whether he's just degraded massively or he's not confident in his team in front of him, I don't know?

 

[Tom_mcfc]

Just for a change I'd like to see him have to save a 6 yard poke in like we score. That's doesn't happen due to our high defensive line giving forwards so much space they can shoot from 15 yeards with no pressure.

I'm no major fan but he's up against 1 on 1's every time, although it would be nice to see him pull a worldy safe off or position himself better/make himself bigger etc

Your keepers like Heatons and Pickfords who have impressed this year will face far more shots and one on ones a game than Bravo but will save a good share of them too. That's my point you just said there, would be nice to see him pull off a save, give us a glimpse of him carrying out the main attribute in goalkeeping.

 

[Ban-jani]

I wouldn't be handing out extensions to contracts on the evidence so far , no .

We're better than last season so at worst he's slightly improved us and has been here half a season.

I'd rather we gave him time and improved than him have a great first season and got worse which happened with the last manager.

 

[ballinio]

We're better than last season so at worst he's slightly improved us and has been here half a season.

I'd rather we gave him time and improved than him have a great first season and got worse which happened with the last manager.

Slightly improved us , are you fucking serious. This must be a joke but it's not funny

 

[Ban-jani]

I don't understand what is going on with Bravo tbh, in 2015 he was in the La Liga team of the season, he was in the team of the tournament twice in a row for the Copa America and also winning the best goalkeeper award.

Now I've heard Bravo is 6ft tall which is the same height as Vorm and Lloris and he looks much smaller than those 2, he doesn't seem to have much aerial ability in him even though I use to seem him claw free kicks and headers away when playing in goal for Barca....

Whether he's just degraded massively or he's not confident in his team in front of him, I don't know?

It's purely confidence.

He's not got any at the moment and it was started by the physicality of English football and then each mistake has made him worse to a point where his shot stopping has been affected.

Maybe the pressure of replacing England's number 1 hasn't helped either.

 

[Ban-jani]

Slightly improved us , are you fucking serious. This must be a joke but it's not funny

Aren't we on more points than this stage of last season?

The football we've played has been better too when we haven't got the results.

 

[bluetev]

I don't understand what is going on with Bravo tbh, in 2015 he was in the La Liga team of the season, he was in the team of the tournament twice in a row for the Copa America and also winning the best goalkeeper award.

Now I've heard Bravo is 6ft tall which is the same height as Vorm and Lloris and he looks much smaller than those 2, he doesn't seem to have much aerial ability in him even though I use to seem him claw free kicks and headers away when playing in goal for Barca....

Whether he's just degraded massively or he's not confident in his team in front of him, I don't know?

Maybe he is not confident in the fans behind him?
And it is funny that now Hart is getting so much praise. Not much credit when he was winning so many golden gloves despite playing behind such an attack minded team.

 

[bluetev]

Aren't we on more points than this stage of last season?

The football we've played has been better too when we haven't got the results.

Based on two points per game we would finish ten points ahead of last season.

And you couldn't have expected the Arsenal 2nd half, Chelsea first hour, Manure and barca performances last year.

 

[blueinsa]

Slightly improved us , are you fucking serious. This must be a joke but it's not funny

We are averaging 2 points a game in the league and are 3 points off 2nd.

Its hardly the disaster you and others are making out and but for an incredible Chelsea run, something we cant do anything about it would be tight as fuck at the top and we would be sitting pretty.

Yes its frustrating seeing us lose games of football and yes, we should be performing better and more consistently but its not the disaster you make it out to be.

Pep is going nowhere thank fuck and will be here for a long time yet and during that time i will take any bet you want right now and that is we will go on to be the best club side in world football.

 

[mancityscot]

Aren't we on more points than this stage of last season?

The football we've played has been better too when we haven't got the results.

having both leicester and everton smash 4 past us is not an improvement. at least this time last year we were still in a title race, now we're practically in a race for 4th.

 

[Ban-jani]

Based on two points per game we would finish ten points ahead of last season.

And you couldn't have expected the Arsenal 2nd half, Chelsea first hour, Manure and barca performances last year.

Exactly. Time is everything and those performance examples you've given will become the norm eventually.

 

[Ban-jani]

having both leicester and everton smash 4 past us is not an improvement. at least this time last year we were still in a title race, now we're practically in a race for 4th.

This time last year we would have been in the race for the title with the points we have this season. We have more points now than this time last year and the football is better, despite a couple of tonkings.

Chelsea are on course for the best season since they broke the record. We've not got worse, we've slightly improved, it's just Chelsea have got a million miles better.

We finished 4th last year on GD if you haven't forgotten.

I agree that it hasn't been good enough but there's been glimpses of what could be (Chelsea, Arsenal, Utd, barca performances) and we need to give him time. What I will say is that it certainly is better and more inspiring than last year.