Is there a red shirt cartel or are we just deluded?

[Smithy77]

Agree with my fellow blues...the cartel is USA based. They started buying clubs under the premises they could bleed the money gravy train.

Our owners have derailed that completely, so the US owners have seen their profits cut - hence the campaign pushed against us

 

[M16 citeh]

The cartel was originally the g14 European clubs including a few English ones but the old top 4 also displayed and still do, cartelised behaviour. The red shirt thing is a fallacy that has been created by us in recent years. The yank ownership has something to do with it yes.

 

[mancboy]

Been having an "interesting" discussion with some scouser who says that there is no such thing as a red cartel and we are just using that as an excuse for the 115 charges and acting as a deluded fan base.

Now who on here believes there is a red shirt cartel and who doesn't?

a scouser calling anyone deluded just ends the argument right there for me, that lot are so deluded i dont even consider them the same species as the rest of us

 

[mancboy]

If you dont believe there is a red cartel explain why the top four became the big six when city and chelsea came to the party.

 

[RiversideBlue]

If you dont believe there is a red cartel explain why the top four became the big six when city and chelsea came to the party.

Just guessing tht its because there used to be a gap between the top 4 clubs and the rest of the premier league in terms of revenue and league position. Then city and chelsea joined through having rich backers. That doesn't mean tht there's a red cartel. Not saying there isn't one but that doesnt prove it.

 

[surprisedbygrass]

It’s all subjective though. What we may deem a controversial decision against us, others won’t. The same goes for what other clubs fans think is controversial against them, we won’t. It goes for every fan of every club because when you’re on the receiving end and you’re pissed off and angry, you can’t see straight because it’s your love and club.

I can’t get in it now, but the scum bags on RAWK believe that every media outlet, every referee and pretty much everything in football is against them and pro City. Same to a lesser extent with the rags.

I agree . I think we get into weeds discussing the concerted and persistent effort to wipe City off the face of the Premier League, if we use debatable referee decisions as examples .

Every fan can roll out decisions where they feel hard done by. In some ways arguing about the day to day distracts from the overall strategy as the common currency of tribalism and fan debate is "whataboutarey" .

But no other club, least iof all the most successful club in the country by any marker , has been so obviously and consistently made the into Satan by those that have the most to loose . The symbiosis between the media and certain clubs is no accident and the PL / Sky Sport / BBC Sport triad is like three legs of a stool.

Make no mistake, football is about The Brand and our competitors in global profitability will stop at nothing to tarnish our club .

 

[GOULDYBOBS]

What does my head in is plenty of clubs call us part of "the sky 6".

 

[mancboy]

Just guessing tht its because there used to be a gap between the top 4 clubs and the rest of the premier league in terms of revenue and league position. Then city and chelsea joined through having rich backers. That doesn't mean tht there's a red cartel. Not saying there isn't one but that doesnt prove it.

but why include them at all then, theres no such gap now but its still referred to as the big six

 

[RiversideBlue]

but why include them at all then, theres no such gap now but its still referred to as the big six

Yeah. Also, not convinced United are in there at the moment

 

[mancboy]

Yeah. Also, not convinced United are in there at the moment

me either nor spurs, call it the top four or the top six as a point of fact but the big six just makes it a group of clubs regardless of league position.

 

[LangleyBlue1970]

There is no doubt United were bigged up regardless of their position some years ago. I remember them being around 8th and one of the media lot referred to the league as ‘the top 8’. lol.

These days they are pretty much ignored and almost mocked as a club.

The top 8 ffs.

 

[Metal Biker]

Type 'Premier League' into google, scroll down and see which teams are 'featured' as examples of teams in the Premier League.


That's right, the old "Sky 4"! Even Though City have won more Premier League titles than three of them. The PL is no longer a football competition, it's a brand and they only care about promoting the Red Brands.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

Of course there is.
They're the 2 (+ arse gimps) that harp on about, history, their successes and fanbases ad nauseum. They carry some weight from a lobbying angle.

 

[surprisedbygrass]

Bump. Balanced video exploring the formation of the PL and the consequences . It's a history we older fans all know but has been conveniently forgotten by many

Most telling is the line where he says the business of the top league in England , given the tie in with Sky TV , slid away from football and towards content . The profitability of the PL , getting a bigger and bigger slice of the cake at the expense if the lower leagues is very telling as is the size of the debts held by EFL Championship clubs .

 

[KentBlue]

I think there is definitely favouritism shown towards certain clubs, yes. Primarily the rags. Occasionally the dippers, and this season most certainly the Tarquins, 100%.
I believe we get the majority of decisions going against us because we're not owned by Yanks and we have this 115 charges garbage hanging over us. Referees probably think like many opposition supporters do: "No smoke without fire." And, "With the amount of money they've got there's bound to be something a bit dodgy going on."
I believe the British media are consciously biased against: the papers, in particular the tabloids, have no time for us at all. SlySports obviously dislike us because they are - to all intents and purposes - an extension of rag tv.

 

[Innsbruckblue]

Anyone who believes the top clubs don’t work together in their own interests is deluded. It happens in the majority of countries.

 

[blue_danube]

I do think there's a favouritism from the media especially. .

But then you also have to remember that the rags and dippers have absolutely monstrous worldwide support. Probably a different stratosphere to us when it comes to fans across the world, so it's somewhat understandable that the media cater to the biggest supported teams.

 

[Tracking back]

Who gives a flying fuck? I don't, sick of hearing about it, relegate us, it won't bother me, I'll get my club back and that's a definite plus.

Why?

Where has it gone?

 

[1961_vintage]

I think that there is a lot of value placed on the American based investment in the English game, to the extent that those running the premier league are shitting it in case that investment disappears.

It has been blatantly obvious from the treatment of Arsenal that the premier league is working to keep the American owned clubs engaged by ensuring that they are successful.

Unless Silver Lake up their investment - standby for a swamp-loving season ahead!

 

[Ashton Moss Messi]

I do think there's a favouritism from the media especially. .

But then you also have to remember that the rags and dippers have absolutely monstrous worldwide support. Probably a different stratosphere to us when it comes to fans across the world, so it's somewhat understandable that the media cater to the biggest supported teams.

Current TV deal generates 1.5 billion per season from overseas broadcasters and 40% of that comes from NBC in the US.
The US owned clubs need to be at the top otherwise US TV money will start to disappear.
A Kronke/Glaser/Fenway winner boosts their overall brand and pulls in money in the US.