“The work of God”?

[SWP's back]

Not a Christian God, no but if you’re an atheist you don’t believe in any God and therefore the beginning of the universe, in your view, takes a direction of an uncontrolled event.

Which I believe it did, yes. But that’s my belief, not necessarily one of all atheists.

 

[Ban-jani]

i've read some shite on here but this is up there

this world is better because someone can walk up behind someone and hit them with a hammer because they can
you're not right

you are so blinkered by religious dogma that you can only make things fit a religious narrative

I’ll ignore the petty insults...

Think of it like a parent allowing their child to go out and make mistakes, as opposed to completely controlling every aspect of their lives, to the point of making every decision for them.

The former is better than the latter.

A world of us being completely controlled is worse than a world where people are free to do good and evil.

 

[Ban-jani]

I'm not making the argument that morality came with Jesus. Morality came before man invented religion, and long before your particular religion. Therefore morality cannot be the product of your religion or your god.

You’re making the argument that Christians believe that.

Morality comes from God and was with the very first humans too.

Every person that’s ever existed has morality within them, they can choose to do the right thing or not.

 

[SWP's back]

You think being a Christian is “horrific”?

Pretty much, yeah.

 

[Two Gun Bob]

Pre pubescent is probably a line to look for but Christianity also teaches about obeying the law of the land, if the law is considered moral to you, so there is some element of opinion and God will know your thoughts and feelings.

So an eleven year old in gods eyes could be construed as being of age because some despot of a country says that is the law ? I am quite convinced that religion will never be for me..

 

[Ban-jani]

Which I believe it did, yes. But that’s my belief, not necessarily one of all atheists.

If you don’t hold that belief, are you really an atheist?

 

[SWP's back]

If you don’t hold that belief, are you really an atheist?

Yes because all one has to do to qualify as an atheist is not believe in a deity. They don’t have to know or understand quantum physics or expansion theory. As well you know.

 

[tonea2003]

I’ll ignore the petty insults...

Think of it like a parent allowing their child to go out and make mistakes, as opposed to completely controlling every aspect of their lives, to the point of making every decision for them.

The former is better than the latter.

A world of us being completely controlled is worse than a world where people are free to do good and evil.

its not an insult its my observation on your statement that world is better with evil in it
it beggars belief that you would think that way
you only do because you believe god gave us freewill as a test and you can't go against that can you

 

[blueish swede]

You’re making the argument that Christians believe that.

Morality comes from God and was with the very first humans too.

Every person that’s ever existed has morality within them, they can choose to do the right thing or not.

No. You see my argument is a scientific argument:
Object A existed before object B and therefore object B camnnot be the source of object A.

It
is
very
simple.

Your theological statements such as "morality comes from God" is waffle. It contains no value, no method to determine it's voracity and no substance. But, as you cannot argue against facts that repudiate your faith, you have to resort to waffle. Here endeth the lesson.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Probably because he’s read the whole thing, unlike you.

Wasn't this poster (ban-jani) previously a big fan of Christopher Hitchens and an atheist a few years ago? From his new found religion it seems he has started reading the other brother's work.

;)