“The work of God”?

[BimboBob]

There’s much more evidence for Jesus existing than many other historical figures that are taken as absolutely existing.

Among atheist scholars, the vast majority thing he existed and was crucified.

Having historical evidence of someone existing 30 years after they died in a ancient times is seen as a given they existed, for any other person.

Atheists go on about evidence and measuring and accuracy and yet ignore the facts on this subject, the fact being there’s barely an atheist scholar alive who thinks Jesus didn’t exist and wasn’t crucified.

The vast majority believe a man existed who preached and then was crucified.

That man is the basis for an entire religion.

As far as a name goes?

Nope. We have no idea.

What we do have is a load of texts written around 30 or so years after the events took place by people who weren't there but relied on word of mouth. Word of mouth in a world that was 98% illiterate. Word of mouth with a spreading religion that needed a figurehead. A man of the people. A common man. A man to appeal to the great unwashed.

To keep these people onside they, like other religions, nicked thoughts/ ideas from previous religions to ease the unwashed in gently.

To put it all into perspective I'm going to tell you that in the last 60 years we put a man on the moon. A great man. Truly a man amongst men. He was chosen because he was great. A man to look up to. I'm not going to tell you how, why or when exactly because that's for you to fill the gaps in. But keep it heroic as it will be read out in surmons, gatherings etc etc. The only thing you know is his name. Neil. Or it could have been Buzz. Or the other one. And they worked for the nasty NASA.

So there's your facts. Man on the moon. A choice of names. A random date. A governing power who wrote everything down but neglected to do so this time.

Off you go dear Ban. Write me a story based on the above.

 

[Magicpole]

My point is atheism doesn’t have a monopoly on science.

Atheism has nothing to do with science. It's a simple act of saying, the evidence, such as it is, isnt sufficient to believe it's true. We may call on science to highlight the utter shit claimed to be the word of God as how things happened, as garbage. Which it is.

Answer me this. If the God you believe in, I'm guessing the one you were indoctrinated into as a child, is actually a god who created everything, why couldnt he write it down, instead of the horseshit in his book?

And, if you do believe in Jesus, why not the rest of them? You have 12,000 to choose from. But, and again I'm guessing, but you don't believe in Zeus, or Allah, or any of the thousands of Hindu gods, or Mars, Mythra, Horus etc. Why don't you believe in them?.isn't it a wonderful coincidence that all around the world there are billions, who think they have the right guy too? That's the issue.

 

[Hollywood Blue]

Atheism has nothing to do with science. It's a simple act of saying, the evidence, such as it is, isnt sufficient to believe it's true. We may call on science to highlight the utter shit claimed to be the word of God as how things happened, as garbage. Which it is.

Answer me this. If the God you believe in, I'm guessing the one you were indoctrinated into as a child, is actually a god who created everything, why couldnt he write it down, instead of the horseshit in his book?

And, if you do believe in Jesus, why not the rest of them? You have 12,000 to choose from. But, and again I'm guessing, but you don't believe in Zeus, or Allah, or any of the thousands of Hindu gods, or Mars, Mythra, Horus etc. Why don't you believe in them?.isn't it a wonderful coincidence that all around the world there are billions, who think they have the right guy too? That's the issue.

This 100%

 

[Magicpole]

Nope, it doesn’t, but then it doesn’t make Dawkins right either.

Dawkins claims can be independently verified through science. Show me anyone who claims that people return from the dead ad I will show you a seriously deluded fantasist. Unless, they have evidence. They don't, they need Faith, and you only need that when the evidence isn't there.

 

[Ban-jani]

The vast majority believe a man existed who preached and then was crucified.

That man is the basis for an entire religion.

As far as a name goes?

Nope. We have no idea.

What we do have is a load of texts written around 30 or so years after the events took place by people who weren't there but relied on word of mouth. Word of mouth in a world that was 98% illiterate. Word of mouth with a spreading religion that needed a figurehead. A man of the people. A common man. A man to appeal to the great unwashed.

To keep these people onside they, like other religions, nicked thoughts/ ideas from previous religions to ease the unwashed in gently.

To put it all into perspective I'm going to tell you that in the last 60 years we put a man on the moon. A great man. Truly a man amongst men. He was chosen because he was great. A man to look up to. I'm not going to tell you how, why or when exactly because that's for you to fill the gaps in. But keep it heroic as it will be read out in surmons, gatherings etc etc. The only thing you know is his name. Neil. Or it could have been Buzz. Or the other one. And they worked for the nasty NASA.

So there's your facts. Man on the moon. A choice of names. A random date. A governing power who wrote everything down but neglected to do so this time.

Off you go dear Ban. Write me a story based on the above.

I’ve just given you a specific source who talked about James and named Jesus.

Why have you ignored it.

You’re actually not only disagreeing with me, but the vast majority of atheist scholars too.

Yet I’m the one who

 

[Ban-jani]

Dawkins claims can be independently verified through science. Show me anyone who claims that people return from the dead ad I will show you a seriously deluded fantasist. Unless, they have evidence. They don't, they need Faith, and you only need that when the evidence isn't there.

Dawkins claims about there being no creator can be, can it?

 

[Ban-jani]

Atheism has nothing to do with science. It's a simple act of saying, the evidence, such as it is, isnt sufficient to believe it's true. We may call on science to highlight the utter shit claimed to be the word of God as how things happened, as garbage. Which it is.

Answer me this. If the God you believe in, I'm guessing the one you were indoctrinated into as a child, is actually a god who created everything, why couldnt he write it down, instead of the horseshit in his book?

And, if you do believe in Jesus, why not the rest of them? You have 12,000 to choose from. But, and again I'm guessing, but you don't believe in Zeus, or Allah, or any of the thousands of Hindu gods, or Mars, Mythra, Horus etc. Why don't you believe in them?.isn't it a wonderful coincidence that all around the world there are billions, who think they have the right guy too? That's the issue.

Atheism has everything to do with science, it claims there is no intelligent design to the universe, that’s a scientific, philosophical and faith based belief system.

No I was, I’ve been an atheist most of my life, I talked about my conversion a few pages back, my parents are agnostic.

If someone commits a murder and there’s a billion theories about who did it and why, does it mean the actual truth isn’t the truth because of other theories?

 

[Ban-jani]

the price of bread, come on keep up

I am very much up to date, you’ve not told me what I’m supposed to think he’s right about.

 

[SWP's back]

Fucking hilarious. Keep it up fellas.

 

[SWP's back]

Atheism has everything to do with science, it claims there is no intelligent design to the universe, that’s a scientific, philosophical and faith based belief system.

It’s nothing of the fucking sort, fruitcake.

An absence of a belief in X does not have to be scientific, philosophical nor faith based. It’s. An. Absense. Of. Fucking. Belief. In. A. Specific. Thing.

You not believing in; Father Christmas or fairies at the bottom of the garden or unicorns are not faith based. They’re not philosophical. It’s not scientific. It’s just that you don’t believe in said things as you’re not 7, a mouth breather or mental (for the most part), mainly due to the lack of evidence of any of them (although Santa has a great deal more evidence than Jehovah).