10 | Jack Grealish - 2021/22 Performances

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oldius said:
I disagree. In my opinion, we do have a top-class defensive midfielder and we don't play with an out and out forward anyway. This player is involved in goal after goal but regardless, the time to judge is not now, not by any means.
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I'll form an opinion based on 45 minutes of football. I can't help but do so.

We don't have a top class defensive midfielder. Fernandinho is too old now, and Rodri is not mobile enough. City are an elite side. We need the very best players to win titles and the Champions League. IMO City's squad has some big holes in it.

You put Foden alongside Grealish I don't even see Grealish. It's like Barcelona buying Coutinho when they had Messi.
 
Marvin said:
Grealish has disappointed me with his performances. Nowhere near as effective as Foden, Bernardo, Mahrez and Sterling.

He may stand out for England but for me he doesn't get anywhere near my City first XI
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Marvin said:
For £100m I expect a player in the Aguero, Foden category. I am not seeing why we bought him when we have players like Bernardo, Mahrez, Foden, Sterling in our squad. He adds depth but that's about it. I have changed my mind about his signing. He's a very good player but he's not better than what we have and he doesn't get in my first XI. He'd be my 3rd choice left sided player behind both Foden and Sterling.

I am disappointed in the sense that we spent £100m and we don't have what regard as a top defensive midfielder or a centre forward and yet we have two outstanding players we could play on our left hand side.

It's an expensive unbalancing of our squad when we needed a defensive midfielder and centre-forward. I am not convinced actually that we need a centre-forward because i think Foden is a super star but I certainly think we are weak in defensive midfield. That to me is the key weakness in our squad and we now have a surplus in creative players. I might change my mind when it comes to FA Cup semi-finals when the squad is extremely stretched but at the moment I can see us losing Sterling or a player because they are not going to get games. I think grealish is a very good player but not a £100m player and not a player we needed.
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This is a fairly premature assessment, especially about a player who has already chipped in with goals and assists, albeit against fairly weak opposition.

I do tend to agree with your point about the overall balance of the squad though, however when Grealish was brought in it seemed like Bernardo would leave. Ultimately, it depends on where Pep wants to play Foden/Grealish in the future. If, like many have said, he sees Grealish as a future '8' in our system, it makes perfect sense to bring Grealish in, especially with Kev and Gundo on the wrong side of 30.
 
Marvin said:
For £100m I expect a player in the Aguero, Foden category. I am not seeing why we bought him when we have players like Bernardo, Mahrez, Foden, Sterling in our squad. He adds depth but that's about it. I have changed my mind about his signing. He's a very good player but he's not better than what we have and he doesn't get in my first XI. He'd be my 3rd choice left sided player behind both Foden and Sterling.

I am disappointed in the sense that we spent £100m and we don't have what regard as a top defensive midfielder or a centre forward and yet we have two outstanding players we could play on our left hand side.

It's an expensive unbalancing of our squad when we needed a defensive midfielder and centre-forward. I am not convinced actually that we need a centre-forward because i think Foden is a super star but I certainly think we are weak in defensive midfield. That to me is the key weakness in our squad and we now have a surplus in creative players. I might change my mind when it comes to FA Cup semi-finals when the squad is extremely stretched but at the moment I can see us losing Sterling or a player because they are not going to get games. I think grealish is a very good player but not a £100m player and not a player we needed.
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Not many players like Grealish out there English and more to do at the age of the squad of players of is type!
He also brings something totally different to all those other players! Maybe Silva will go next season oh if we didn’t trigger the buyout that had a cut of date by the way! The way other football clubs treat us we would never of got him!
 
johncity said:
have you been watching the wrong player grealish as been great
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I think Marvin is being hasty with writing him off but i also don't think he's been anywhere near great.
It's still too early to judge him
 
bluemoon32 said:
I think Marvin is being hasty with writing him off but i also don't think he's been anywhere near great.
It's still too early to judge him
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I wasn't writing him off. I just don't see why we bought him because if everyone is available he does not get in my side. Pick a starting XI. I bet he doesn't get in your side.
 
Marvin said:
I wasn't writing him off. I just don't see why we bought him because if everyone is available he does not get in my side. Pick a starting XI. I bet he doesn't get in your side.
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No, he doesn't but it's a squad game nowadays and we'll need him at some stage
 
Marvin said:
Grealish has disappointed me with his performances. Nowhere near as effective as Foden, Bernardo, Mahrez and Sterling.

He may stand out for England but for me he doesn't get anywhere near my City first XI
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That's a strangely timed and quite unwarranted attack on the guy.

He didn't set his price, so to say you would expect a player in the Aguero category for £100m is hugely unfair. The price, given who he is, is about right.

His performances have been about where they should be considering the short time here. The run into the box and flick with the outside of his boot for one of the goals v Arsenal is a prime example of what he brings.

Have you been to any of the games at the stadium? When he gets the ball you can hear the anticipation. Someone said earlier in the thread about hearing the seats snap back as fans stand up. That happens for a reason.

Add to this early form he has yet to play alongside KDB.

Grealish is fantastic. He is going to be one of our greats. I am struggling to understand what it is you expect, and what it is you've seen of him so far that brings you to the opinion that you have been disappointed with him.
 
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Marvin said:
I wasn't writing him off. I just don't see why we bought him because if everyone is available he does not get in my side. Pick a starting XI. I bet he doesn't get in your side.
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For a start we’re forced to buy English/Club trained players. Hence Stones, Sterling, Walker for silly prices at the time, Ake too. If an English player is available, and good enough to play, we buy them, despite there being better players on the continent.

I see Foden as a midfielder, and Sterling as a right winger/sided forward, I see Grealish as a left winger/sided forward and both Foden and Sterling can play there if they have to.

I think getting Grealish pushes Mahrez out and to me, that’s what the upgrade is.

………………………Rodri/Fernandinho

…………KbD/Bernardo………Gundogan/Foden

Sterling/Mahrez/Jesus/Bernardo………………
…………………………….Grealish/Foden/Sterling

……………………Torres/Sterling/Jesus/Delap

For me, Foden is primarily fighting with Gundogan to get back in the team once fit.
 
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Marvin said:
I wasn't writing him off. I just don't see why we bought him because if everyone is available he does not get in my side. Pick a starting XI. I bet he doesn't get in your side.
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The possible departure of Silva was probably the reason we bought him.
 
Marvin said:
Grealish has disappointed me with his performances. Nowhere near as effective as Foden, Bernardo, Mahrez and Sterling.

He may stand out for England but for me he doesn't get anywhere near my City first XI
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Three games in. Christ.

He's brand new to the team, brand new to the system, and playing slightly out of position from where Pep wants him (he'll be moved centrally when Foden is back), yet he's still notched a goal and an assist in three games. Contributing to 2 goals every 3 games would give him a great return for the season.

Plus I think his work for Jesus' goal against Arsenal is exactly where he's going to be more productive than Raheem and Mahrez (two players I love more than most). He picks the ball up from Bernardo and drives right at the defender, squares him up in the penalty area, then puts it on a plate for Jesus. How many times has Raheem lost the ball from a similar position? How many times has Mahrez turned back inside and passed it to Rodri or back to Walker? He brings something different - a new way to unlock teams and put them on the back foot.

Give it more than a month, eh?
 
What's this about us having a consensus "strongest XI", by the way?

Ederson; Walker, Stones, Dias, Zinchenko; Rodri, De Bruyne, Gundogan; Mahrez, Jesus, Foden

That's probably our strongest XI in most peoples' eyes, but I could contest at least four positions in that team. Is Jesus our best #9, or Torres? Is Fernandinho more effective behind the midfield than Rodri? Is Sterling better on the right than Mahrez? Should Grealish be in over Foden or Gundogan? Is Cancelo a better left-back than Zinchenko? Is Laporte in better form than Dias or Stones at the moment?

The whole point is that we don't have a strongest XI, especially not further up the pitch. Teams with an established first XI tend not to win the Premier League these days, except for maybe Leicester in 2016 -- and even that was 5 years ago when City still had the phoenix on the badge. United have an established XI but they won't win the league this year because their "B-team" contains about 2 players who could fill the gap in quality.

United's established XI (when everyone's fit) is probably: De Gea; Wan Bissaka, Varane, Maguire, Shaw; McTominay, Pogba, Fernandes; Sancho, Ronaldo, Greenwood.

That's a good team but, if they want to go deep in all competitions and win a couple of pots, who's going to step in and perform to the level of the rivals in their position? You could make a good case for Cavani and maybe Rashford on his day, but what about Dalot? Martial? Bailly? Lindelof? Fred? Van De Beek? There's no chance. Whereas Bernardo, Grealish, Laporte, Fernandinho - we know we can trust these guys to fill in when first picks are out injured.
 
honestly some people just have no vision and only see the here and now. the kid has signed a SIX YEAR contract and believe me, we will need him playing for us in the future. considering he’s only been here a month and he’s got a goal and assist, i think he’s more than proved why he’s going to be very instrumental in our future success.
 
Marvin said:
Grealish has disappointed me with his performances. Nowhere near as effective as Foden, Bernardo, Mahrez and Sterling.

He may stand out for England but for me he doesn't get anywhere near my City first XI
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He has been instrumental in our last two games,we have missed the influence of KDB and/or Foden and this lad has helped compensate for that,which was a huge factor in his purchase.
He is one of the first names on our sheet,for me.
 
Not sure what our players make of him yet, or if it's done on purpose, but there have been so many times he has unbelievable amounts of space, but they won't pass to him. More than once he has been frustrated by this, when the wrong ball was played to someone else.

The Norwich game in particular. My mate even said to me that Ilkay mustn't be Jack's mate.
 
LangleyBlue1970 said:
Not sure what our players make of him yet, or if it's done on purpose, but there have been so many times he has unbelievable amounts of space, but they won't pass to him. More than once he has been frustrated by this, when the wrong ball was played to someone else.

The Norwich game in particular. My mate even said to me that Ilkay mustn't be Jack's mate.
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Lol, he’s already a popular lad at the club.
 
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