13 year old girl described as 'predatory' in court...

[bobmcfc]

That's the sort of place I had in mind. Could I mop any left over gravy up with a barm?

There is room left over for four cans of special brew if you want a chat with mates. Like being round a coffee table

Er not myself of course as I'm respectable but I was just offering options should you meet a nice girl lol

You started well with talk of beers but then went with respectable!?!? You said you live in a rough area and that means, using BM logic, you're easy. You're sending out conflicting messages and you know the judge will see it that way you minx :-)

I'm actually ridiculously shy and quiet lol

But I'm ok once you know me and a little but cheeky. I shock people sometimes and they will laugh and say "how sweet and innocent you look then you say something so rude"

 

[mrbelfry]

You'd think at 41 the guy would be more responsible with his penis no matter how predatory she was.

 

[tidyman]

What is the obsession some people have with "rough" girls in "rough" areas?

As if it's only council estate low life who would have such low morals.

Some of the wildest and most promiscuous young girls at this sort of age come from the complete opposite end of the social spectrum.

 

[StrangewaysHereWeCome]

You'd think at 41 the guy would be more responsible with his penis no matter how predatory she was.

Been struggling to reply to this thread without going off on one. I think your post sums up my feelings.
Should I have just put " this /\/\" ?<br /><br />-- Wed Aug 07, 2013 2:53 pm --<br /><br />

What is the obsession some people have with "rough" girls in "rough" areas?

As if it's only council estate low life who would have such low morals.

Some of the wildest and most promiscuous young girls at this sort of age come from the complete opposite end of the social spectrum.

Posh girls eh? Dirty, they are

 

[Anonymous]

Anyone booked a flight to Italy yet then?

 

[2sheikhs]

Seeing as we have posters on here from other european countries, I was wondering how they deal with this kind of thing. Are they draconian or do they turn a blind eye to it?

 

[Chris in London]

Will never happen.

Sorry, but it's us warping women? I find it hard to blame it all on men when every day they're being shown how women should look or act or dress by advertisements on TV, Billboards, Posters, Bus stops ad inifitum. That is doing FAR more damage than porn ever will.

I'm amazed that's the only bit you saw. It's ok to blame a little girl but its typical that when I said I would take blame and society would take blame that you only saw the part that I mention "Men" why can't men take some responsibility ? Do you not believe I made any valid points at all ?

Have you ever worked with teenagers? Specifically teenagers in a rough area? I'm all for protecting children, if I wasn't I wouldn't work in a school, but on the other hand, I'm all too aware of what some teenagers are like, I've seen first hand how manipulative and intelligent these kids are. This is not to pardon the Paedo, he is quite clearly in the wrong and I don't think anyone is saying otherwise, but to think this girl is vulnerable is naive in the extreme.

I would have thought that being highly sexualised at the age of 13 is a very clear sign of how vulnerable she is.

Something about either the environment she lives in, or her family, or the people she hangs with or the school she goes to, or whatever it is that has led her to be the way she is has not managed to protect a little girl who clearly needed protecting. She may be more sophisticated sexually than you would expect at thirteen but that is not to say she is not vulnerable. Her vulnerability simply takes a different form.

Maybe the damage was done long ago, and the person she is now was damaged some time ago. But this girl is a child. How she has got into this situation and condition, or been allowed to, is I think exactly what Emma finds upsetting.

And she is absolutely right to.

 

[PJMCC1UK]

Maybe I will be glad when all forms of porn are removed from the net and society and I see no more pairs of bare breasts in my newspaper because I think we may have gone more than beyond the lowest level when we start queuing up to defend child molesters.

I see women sexualised all the time, it's normal now and we are seen as objects for men to ogle and we are never good enough for you if we haven't had our breasts enlarged to an abnormally overstuffed size. Every stretchmark, follicle of hair or blemish removed and even then we aren't good enough for you. We're too sexy, not sexy enough, too thin too fat. Is it any fooking wonder our little girls are so confused ? Too bent out trying to please men and a society where all you have to do is be perfect.

Men want sexy but then it's your fault for trying to be to too sexy and you asked for it. So I'd like all this stopped now so we can get back to a decent moral society when we know what wrong is. I'll happily take some responsibility for having a dress too short if you like, I'm a big girl i can take it but I won't ever ever accept a child being told she deserved it because she acted to sexy or older than she was.

Wobble your heads please !

That is such a sweeping statement about men. As if somehow women overlook sexy. And never coo over muscle men and have expectations. Face it. we all sexualise each other.
Our girls are confused by the womens magazines telling them they are fine the way they are until you turn the page and they are told how they can lose weight, change themselves, look like Rihanna or Amy Childs.

But I do agree that the 41 yo has the ultimate responsibility. She more than likely was willing in some way but I can't understand a 41 yo thinking that makes it ok unless they have some mental illness which stops them thinking straight.

 

[bobmcfc]

Maybe I will be glad when all forms of porn are removed from the net and society and I see no more pairs of bare breasts in my newspaper because I think we may have gone more than beyond the lowest level when we start queuing up to defend child molesters.

I see women sexualised all the time, it's normal now and we are seen as objects for men to ogle and we are never good enough for you if we haven't had our breasts enlarged to an abnormally overstuffed size. Every stretchmark, follicle of hair or blemish removed and even then we aren't good enough for you. We're too sexy, not sexy enough, too thin too fat. Is it any fooking wonder our little girls are so confused ? Too bent out trying to please men and a society where all you have to do is be perfect.

Men want sexy but then it's your fault for trying to be to too sexy and you asked for it. So I'd like all this stopped now so we can get back to a decent moral society when we know what wrong is. I'll happily take some responsibility for having a dress too short if you like, I'm a big girl i can take it but I won't ever ever accept a child being told she deserved it because she acted to sexy or older than she was.

Wobble your heads please !

That is such a sweeping statement about men. As if somehow women overlook sexy. And never coo over muscle men and have expectations. Face it. we all sexualise each other.
Our girls are confused by the womens magazines telling them they are fine the way they are until you turn the page and they are told how they can lose weight, change themselves, look like Rihanna or Amy Childs.

But I do agree that the 41 yo has the ultimate responsibility. She more than likely was willing in some way but I can't understand a 41 yo thinking that makes it ok unless they have some mental illness which stops them thinking straight.

It's no less a sweeping statement than all 13 year old are tarts and whores. The industry and society are sick and a lot needs to be done to restore the innocence of youth and respectable values IMO

 

[bobmcfc]

I'm amazed that's the only bit you saw. It's ok to blame a little girl but its typical that when I said I would take blame and society would take blame that you only saw the part that I mention "Men" why can't men take some responsibility ? Do you not believe I made any valid points at all ?

Have you ever worked with teenagers? Specifically teenagers in a rough area? I'm all for protecting children, if I wasn't I wouldn't work in a school, but on the other hand, I'm all too aware of what some teenagers are like, I've seen first hand how manipulative and intelligent these kids are. This is not to pardon the Paedo, he is quite clearly in the wrong and I don't think anyone is saying otherwise, but to think this girl is vulnerable is naive in the extreme.

I would have thought that being highly sexualised at the age of 13 is a very clear sign of how vulnerable she is.

Something about either the environment she lives in, or her family, or the people she hangs with or the school she goes to, or whatever it is that has led her to be the way she is has not managed to protect a little girl who clearly needed protecting. She may be more sophisticated sexually than you would expect at thirteen but that is not to say she is not vulnerable. Her vulnerability simply takes a different form.

Maybe the damage was done long ago, and the person she is now was damaged some time ago. But this girl is a child. How she has got into this situation and condition, or been allowed to, is I think exactly what Emma finds upsetting.

And she is absolutely right to.

It's very upsetting that children can find themselves in situations like this and deem them normal and part of life. What's more upsetting is so called educated people in high ranking positions like barristers and judges can make such sweeping statements like describing a 13 year old child as the sexual predator over the accused 41 year old defendant in possession of all his faculties as being somehow wronged in anyway. It's hard to accept.