13 year old girl described as 'predatory' in court...

[MCFC-alan88]

I've heard 11 year olds talking about which of their friends they're going to have sex with the coming Friday, bartering over who gets who like you would sweets (boys and girls).

I understand where you're coming from, I really do but the days of all kids being innocent by that age, are long gone. It gets to the point where you have to look at immediate influences, and that's the parents.

 

[bobmcfc]

So you believe that everybody knows this? Even foreign nationals where they are in a legal relationship? that, I believe, is a grey area. You can't also treat the 16 and 15 year old any differently than a 50 and 15 year old in the eyes of the law. Again we morally differentiate between the two but when you start adding morals to law you enter a grey area as it becomes subjective.

Let me turn this on its head then...who would sleep with a 14 year old girl in Italy knowing it is legal?

Ok, I accept not EVERYONE knows the law. Has there ever been a case like the hyperthetical one you say?

Of course the law differentiates. A 16 year old would never be even charged for having consensual sex with a 15 year old.

By your reasoning the whole legal system is a grey area. Which I suppose it is if you look at it like that. It is always a decision the CPS will make whether it is in the public interest to bring a prosecution. With all offences not just ones related to sex.

Exactly mate and herein lies the problem, the law might say 16 but it isn't black and white in many cases but different shades of grey where even sentencing becomes subjective. What we would assume is that although the law says under 16 is illegal it is interpreted as how far from 16 and the other party is the minor the further the gap the more onus on the over 16 to justify their actions, anything say up to 20 is considered 50/50 if consentual after that it becomes varying degrees of what consistutes predatory behaviour. Hence IMO the full onus was put on the girl, anything else would have had to have resulted in a criminal conviction, I think the court lost sight of the fact that she was 13 and has a long life ahead of her to regret her promiscuous behaviour (if indeed she was)...we were all young and immature once.

-- Wed Aug 07, 2013 12:53 pm --

Once again your letting the fact your a woman rule your head. Its very wrong what was done, but facts need to be made available when a trial is taking place. I would castrate the twat then let him rot in jail, but facts should always be made aware in every case. Whats wrong with that?

The facts are put to the the court but mistakes have been made here a the sentence ridiculously lenient. I think society has a big problem when it can tell little girls they deserved to get molested by some dirty sweaty bastard that gets his rocks off watching people shag animals because she may have looked a little older than she was. we have hit the pits in my opinion

-- Wed Aug 07, 2013 11:35 am --

Have you ever worked with teenagers? Specifically teenagers in a rough area? I'm all for protecting children, if I wasn't I wouldn't work in a school, but on the other hand, I'm all too aware of what some teenagers are like, I've seen first hand how manipulative and intelligent these kids are. This is not to pardon the Paedo, he is quite clearly in the wrong and I don't think anyone is saying otherwise, but to think this girl is vulnerable is naive in the extreme.

Yes I actually have worked as a teacher with 15/16 year old girls
Yes they lived in rough areas
I live in a rough area and have all my lifeI have two teenage sons
I was a teen mother
I have lived through some very harsh times and seen things at an an age and experienced things I shouldn't experience

How rough? The sort of place you'd eat chips and gravy over a bin?

If you mean when someone eats a tray of chips and gravy off your back whilst they are doing you from behind over a wheelie bin then, YUUUUSSS it's that rough<br /><br />-- Wed Aug 07, 2013 11:59 am --<br /><br />

Nobody on this thread has defended child molesters, Bob.
Some have made the perfectly valid and accurate point that the girl in question was sexually conversant, but not one person has said that this justifies statutory rape.
I'm not happy with the sexualisation of young girls in the media, but then nobody else has stated that it is a good idea either.
I appreciate that this is a subject that you feel strongly about as a parent yourself, as am I, but to accuse posters of defending a paedophile is harsh and unfair.

A 15/16 year old I could possible say could be responsible for a relationship that was sexual with a guy around her own age. 12/13 year olds cannot be put anywhere near that even if they consent. It's totally unacceptable

I agree 100%, and I consider this sentence far too lenient personally.
But a judge has to take into account all mitigating factors when handing down a punishment, and clearly the fact that the girl in question was sexually aware, and was not forced to have sex against her will were such factors.

He was found guilty but 8 months suspended is a free pass IMO

 

[metalblue]

Ok, I accept not EVERYONE knows the law. Has there ever been a case like the hyperthetical one you say?

Of course the law differentiates. A 16 year old would never be even charged for having consensual sex with a 15 year old.

By your reasoning the whole legal system is a grey area. Which I suppose it is if you look at it like that. It is always a decision the CPS will make whether it is in the public interest to bring a prosecution. With all offences not just ones related to sex.

Exactly mate and herein lies the problem, the law might say 16 but it isn't black and white in many cases but different shades of grey where even sentencing becomes subjective. What we would assume is that although the law says under 16 is illegal it is interpreted as how far from 16 and the other party is the minor the further the gap the more onus on the over 16 to justify their actions, anything say up to 20 is considered 50/50 if consentual after that it becomes varying degrees of what consistutes predatory behaviour. Hence IMO the full onus was put on the girl, anything else would have had to have resulted in a criminal conviction, I think the court lost sight of the fact that she was 13 and has a long life ahead of her to regret her promiscuous behaviour (if indeed she was)...we were all young and immature once.

-- Wed Aug 07, 2013 12:53 pm --

The facts are put to the the court but mistakes have been made here a the sentence ridiculously lenient. I think society has a big problem when it can tell little girls they deserved to get molested by some dirty sweaty bastard that gets his rocks off watching people shag animals because she may have looked a little older than she was. we have hit the pits in my opinion

-- Wed Aug 07, 2013 11:35 am --



Yes I actually have worked as a teacher with 15/16 year old girls
Yes they lived in rough areas
I live in a rough area and have all my lifeI have two teenage sons
I was a teen mother
I have lived through some very harsh times and seen things at an an age and experienced things I shouldn't experience

How rough? The sort of place you'd eat chips and gravy over a bin?

If you mean when someone eats a tray of chips and gravy off your back whilst they are doing you from behind over a wheelie bin then, YUUUUSSS it's that rough

That's the sort of place I had in mind. Could I mop any left over gravy up with a barm?

 

[Pigeonho]

I like it when femibob talks dirty. Now, about this gravy....

 

[bobmcfc]

Exactly mate and herein lies the problem, the law might say 16 but it isn't black and white in many cases but different shades of grey where even sentencing becomes subjective. What we would assume is that although the law says under 16 is illegal it is interpreted as how far from 16 and the other party is the minor the further the gap the more onus on the over 16 to justify their actions, anything say up to 20 is considered 50/50 if consentual after that it becomes varying degrees of what consistutes predatory behaviour. Hence IMO the full onus was put on the girl, anything else would have had to have resulted in a criminal conviction, I think the court lost sight of the fact that she was 13 and has a long life ahead of her to regret her promiscuous behaviour (if indeed she was)...we were all young and immature once.

-- Wed Aug 07, 2013 12:53 pm --



How rough? The sort of place you'd eat chips and gravy over a bin?

If you mean when someone eats a tray of chips and gravy off your back whilst they are doing you from behind over a wheelie bin then, YUUUUSSS it's that rough

That's the sort of place I had in mind. Could I mop any left over gravy up with a barm?

There is room left over for four cans of special brew if you want a chat with mates. Like being round a coffee table

Er not myself of course as I'm respectable but I was just offering options should you meet a nice girl lol

 

[metalblue]

I've heard 11 year olds talking about which of their friends they're going to have sex with the coming Friday, bartering over who gets who like you would sweets (boys and girls).

I understand where you're coming from, I really do but the days of all kids being innocent by that age, are long gone. It gets to the point where you have to look at immediate influences, and that's the parents.

Parents might well be the source of the problem and the primary influencing factor however, just because they weren't "protected" to this point by parents, doesn't mean the law can wash their hands of them either. It was a poor choice of words for a judge to use it sends out the wrong message.

 

[2sheikhs]

When I was 13/14, only a handful of girls that age would let you do stuff with them and they had a bad name for themselves. I have teenage daughters and I'm appalled at some of the things they tell me about what girls are up to at their school. It's become the norm now and girls who haven't done anything get ridiculed by others and get labelled as a lezza or something. All I've had to do is convince my daughters that lads will have zero respect for them if they behave like that. Trying to censor things now would be a waste of time in my opinion. They want to look older and be seen to be older. A lot of them get fake i.d's and are in town every weekend. Education is the answer.

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

She's 13 and he's 41 that's all I need to know in this case. I don't care how sexy she may or may not have looked she's a child barely out of primary school and vulnerable

I tend not to call you out often bob, you're one of only a few I have time for in any abundance but that there is misguided and delusional!!

 

[bobmcfc]

She's 13 and he's 41 that's all I need to know in this case. I don't care how sexy she may or may not have looked she's a child barely out of primary school and vulnerable

I tend not to call you out often bob, you're one of only a few I have time for in any abundance but that there is misguided and delusional!!

I know exactly the field you work in and I'm never going to question you on it. I'm saying in the case of the 13 vs 41 year old I know which is the predator in this case. I know there are evil and calculating children but that is the minority hopefully. I think this girl has been treated badly but I understand what yours saying

I can't really say everything I think about on the forum anyway, I'm pretty annoyed at some opinions in society on young girls and how we're all basically asking for it

 

[metalblue]

If you mean when someone eats a tray of chips and gravy off your back whilst they are doing you from behind over a wheelie bin then, YUUUUSSS it's that rough

That's the sort of place I had in mind. Could I mop any left over gravy up with a barm?

There is room left over for four cans of special brew if you want a chat with mates. Like being round a coffee table

Er not myself of course as I'm respectable but I was just offering options should you meet a nice girl lol

You started well with talk of beers but then went with respectable!?!? You said you live in a rough area and that means, using BM logic, you're easy. You're sending out conflicting messages and you know the judge will see it that way you minx :-)