13 year old girl described as 'predatory' in court...

[bobmcfc]

Maybe I will be glad when all forms of porn are removed from the net and society and I see no more pairs of bare breasts in my newspaper because I think we may have gone more than beyond the lowest level when we start queuing up to defend child molesters.

I see women sexualised all the time, it's normal now and we are seen as objects for men to ogle and we are never good enough for you if we haven't had our breasts enlarged to an abnormally overstuffed size. Every stretchmark, follicle of hair or blemish removed and even then we aren't good enough for you. We're too sexy, not sexy enough, too thin too fat. Is it any fooking wonder our little girls are so confused ? Too bent out trying to please men and a society where all you have to do is be perfect.

Men want sexy but then it's your fault for trying to be to too sexy and you asked for it. So I'd like all this stopped now so we can get back to a decent moral society when we know what wrong is. I'll happily take some responsibility for having a dress too short if you like, I'm s big girl but I won't ever ever accept a child being told she's deserved it because she acted to sexy or older than she was.

Wobble your heads please !

Will never happen.

Sorry, but it's us warping women? I find it hard to blame it all on men when every day they're being shown how women should look or act or dress by advertisements on TV, Billboards, Posters, Bus stops ad inifitum. That is doing FAR more damage than porn ever will.

I'm amazed that's the only bit you saw. It's ok to blame a little girl but its typical that when I said I would take blame and society would take blame that you only saw the part that I mention "Men" why can't men take some responsibility ? Do you not believe I made any valid points at all ?

 

[rickmcfc]

She's 13 and he's 41 that's all I need to know in this case. I don't care how sexy she may or may not have looked she's a child barely out of primary school and vulnerable

A very blinkered view. I totally accept that its wrong having sex with a minor, but in this case the facts are that she was sexually active. That is a point that needed making available to the Jury.

The article stated she looked and acted older than she was. I don't know if she was sexually active or not but even if she was it doesn't give any 41 year old man the right to have sex with her. What is wrong with you ? How is it right at all. She could have been exploited all her life and thought that was the way of the world. The law says its not ok to prey on the young and vunerable but if you want to stick up for a grubby twat that had a hoard of child and animal sex abuse images on his PC then you go ahead

Once again your letting the fact your a woman rule your head. Its very wrong what was done, but facts need to be made available when a trial is taking place. I would castrate the twat then let him rot in jail, but facts should always be made aware in every case. Whats wrong with that?

 

[MCFC-alan88]

Maybe I will be glad when all forms of porn are removed from the net and society and I see no more pairs of bare breasts in my newspaper because I think we may have gone more than beyond the lowest level when we start queuing up to defend child molesters.

I see women sexualised all the time, it's normal now and we are seen as objects for men to ogle and we are never good enough for you if we haven't had our breasts enlarged to an abnormally overstuffed size. Every stretchmark, follicle of hair or blemish removed and even then we aren't good enough for you. We're too sexy, not sexy enough, too thin too fat. Is it any fooking wonder our little girls are so confused ? Too bent out trying to please men and a society where all you have to do is be perfect.

Men want sexy but then it's your fault for trying to be to too sexy and you asked for it. So I'd like all this stopped now so we can get back to a decent moral society when we know what wrong is. I'll happily take some responsibility for having a dress too short if you like, I'm s big girl but I won't ever ever accept a child being told she's deserved it because she acted to sexy or older than she was.

Wobble your heads please !

Will never happen.

Sorry, but it's us warping women? I find it hard to blame it all on men when every day they're being shown how women should look or act or dress by advertisements on TV, Billboards, Posters, Bus stops ad inifitum. That is doing FAR more damage than porn ever will.

I'm amazed that's the only bit you saw. It's ok to blame a little girl but its typical that when I said I would take blame and society would take blame that you only saw the part that I mention "Men" why can't men take some responsibility ? Do you not believe I made any valid points at all ?

Have you ever worked with teenagers? Specifically teenagers in a rough area? I'm all for protecting children, if I wasn't I wouldn't work in a school, but on the other hand, I'm all too aware of what some teenagers are like, I've seen first hand how manipulative and intelligent these kids are. This is not to pardon the Paedo, he is quite clearly in the wrong and I don't think anyone is saying otherwise, but to think this girl is vulnerable is naive in the extreme.

 

[rickmcfc]

Will never happen.

Sorry, but it's us warping women? I find it hard to blame it all on men when every day they're being shown how women should look or act or dress by advertisements on TV, Billboards, Posters, Bus stops ad inifitum. That is doing FAR more damage than porn ever will.

I'm amazed that's the only bit you saw. It's ok to blame a little girl but its typical that when I said I would take blame and society would take blame that you only saw the part that I mention "Men" why can't men take some responsibility ? Do you not believe I made any valid points at all ?

Have you ever worked with teenagers? Specifically teenagers in a rough area? I'm all for protecting children, if I wasn't I wouldn't work in a school, but on the other hand, I'm all too aware of what some teenagers are like, I've seen first hand how manipulative and intelligent these kids are. This is not to pardon the Paedo, he is quite clearly in the wrong and I don't think anyone is saying otherwise, but to think this girl is vulnerable is naive in the extreme.

I can just see bobmcfc now "but but but, she's a girl, a 13 year old girl".

 

[bobmcfc]

A very blinkered view. I totally accept that its wrong having sex with a minor, but in this case the facts are that she was sexually active. That is a point that needed making available to the Jury.

The article stated she looked and acted older than she was. I don't know if she was sexually active or not but even if she was it doesn't give any 41 year old man the right to have sex with her. What is wrong with you ? How is it right at all. She could have been exploited all her life and thought that was the way of the world. The law says its not ok to prey on the young and vunerable but if you want to stick up for a grubby twat that had a hoard of child and animal sex abuse images on his PC then you go ahead

Once again your letting the fact your a woman rule your head. Its very wrong what was done, but facts need to be made available when a trial is taking place. I would castrate the twat then let him rot in jail, but facts should always be made aware in every case. Whats wrong with that?

The facts are put to the the court but mistakes have been made here a the sentence ridiculously lenient. I think society has a big problem when it can tell little girls they deserved to get molested by some dirty sweaty bastard that gets his rocks off watching people shag animals because she may have looked a little older than she was. we have hit the pits in my opinion<br /><br />-- Wed Aug 07, 2013 11:35 am --<br /><br />

Will never happen.

Sorry, but it's us warping women? I find it hard to blame it all on men when every day they're being shown how women should look or act or dress by advertisements on TV, Billboards, Posters, Bus stops ad inifitum. That is doing FAR more damage than porn ever will.

I'm amazed that's the only bit you saw. It's ok to blame a little girl but its typical that when I said I would take blame and society would take blame that you only saw the part that I mention "Men" why can't men take some responsibility ? Do you not believe I made any valid points at all ?

Have you ever worked with teenagers? Specifically teenagers in a rough area? I'm all for protecting children, if I wasn't I wouldn't work in a school, but on the other hand, I'm all too aware of what some teenagers are like, I've seen first hand how manipulative and intelligent these kids are. This is not to pardon the Paedo, he is quite clearly in the wrong and I don't think anyone is saying otherwise, but to think this girl is vulnerable is naive in the extreme.

Yes I actually have worked as a teacher with 15/16 year old girls
Yes they lived in rough areas
I live in a rough area and have all my life
I have two teenage sons
I was a teen mother
I have lived through some very harsh times and seen things at an an age and experienced things I shouldn't experience

 

[bobmcfc]

I'm amazed that's the only bit you saw. It's ok to blame a little girl but its typical that when I said I would take blame and society would take blame that you only saw the part that I mention "Men" why can't men take some responsibility ? Do you not believe I made any valid points at all ?

Have you ever worked with teenagers? Specifically teenagers in a rough area? I'm all for protecting children, if I wasn't I wouldn't work in a school, but on the other hand, I'm all too aware of what some teenagers are like, I've seen first hand how manipulative and intelligent these kids are. This is not to pardon the Paedo, he is quite clearly in the wrong and I don't think anyone is saying otherwise, but to think this girl is vulnerable is naive in the extreme.

I can just see bobmcfc now "but but but, she's a girl, a 13 year old girl".

You don't know anything about me rick. I don't but but but anything

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

Maybe I will be glad when all forms of porn are removed from the net and society and I see no more pairs of bare breasts in my newspaper because I think we may have gone more than beyond the lowest level when we start queuing up to defend child molesters.

I see women sexualised all the time, it's normal now and we are seen as objects for men to ogle and we are never good enough for you if we haven't had our breasts enlarged to an abnormally overstuffed size. Every stretchmark, follicle of hair or blemish removed and even then we aren't good enough for you. We're too sexy, not sexy enough, too thin too fat. Is it any fooking wonder our little girls are so confused ? Too bent out trying to please men and a society where all you have to do is be perfect.

Men want sexy but then it's your fault for trying to be to too sexy and you asked for it. So I'd like all this stopped now so we can get back to a decent moral society when we know what wrong is. I'll happily take some responsibility for having a dress too short if you like, I'm a big girl i can take it but I won't ever ever accept a child being told she deserved it because she acted to sexy or older than she was.

Wobble your heads please !

Nobody on this thread has defended child molesters, Bob.
Some have made the perfectly valid and accurate point that the girl in question was sexually conversant, but not one person has said that this justifies statutory rape.
I'm not happy with the sexualisation of young girls in the media, but then nobody else has stated that it is a good idea either.
I appreciate that this is a subject that you feel strongly about as a parent yourself, as am I, but to accuse posters of defending a paedophile is harsh and unfair.

 

[bobmcfc]

Maybe I will be glad when all forms of porn are removed from the net and society and I see no more pairs of bare breasts in my newspaper because I think we may have gone more than beyond the lowest level when we start queuing up to defend child molesters.

I see women sexualised all the time, it's normal now and we are seen as objects for men to ogle and we are never good enough for you if we haven't had our breasts enlarged to an abnormally overstuffed size. Every stretchmark, follicle of hair or blemish removed and even then we aren't good enough for you. We're too sexy, not sexy enough, too thin too fat. Is it any fooking wonder our little girls are so confused ? Too bent out trying to please men and a society where all you have to do is be perfect.

Men want sexy but then it's your fault for trying to be to too sexy and you asked for it. So I'd like all this stopped now so we can get back to a decent moral society when we know what wrong is. I'll happily take some responsibility for having a dress too short if you like, I'm a big girl i can take it but I won't ever ever accept a child being told she deserved it because she acted to sexy or older than she was.

Wobble your heads please !

Nobody on this thread has defended child molesters, Bob.
Some have made the perfectly valid and accurate point that the girl in question was sexually conversant, but not one person has said that this justifies statutory rape.
I'm not happy with the sexualisation of young girls in the media, but then nobody else has stated that it is a good idea either.
I appreciate that this is a subject that you feel strongly about as a parent yourself, as am I, but to accuse posters of defending a paedophile is harsh and unfair.

A 15/16 year old I could possible say could be responsible for a relationship that was sexual with a guy around her own age. 12/13 year olds cannot be put anywhere near that even if they consent. It's totally unacceptable

 

[metalblue]

It isn't a grey area though is it?

Everyone knows that having sex with someone under 16 is illegal. Of course a 16 year old having sex with a 15 year old is a world away from them been 41 and 13. You'd like to think that would be reflected in the sentencing in the individual cases though.

So you believe that everybody knows this? Even foreign nationals where they are in a legal relationship? that, I believe, is a grey area. You can't also treat the 16 and 15 year old any differently than a 50 and 15 year old in the eyes of the law. Again we morally differentiate between the two but when you start adding morals to law you enter a grey area as it becomes subjective.

Let me turn this on its head then...who would sleep with a 14 year old girl in Italy knowing it is legal?

Ok, I accept not EVERYONE knows the law. Has there ever been a case like the hyperthetical one you say?

Of course the law differentiates. A 16 year old would never be even charged for having consensual sex with a 15 year old.

By your reasoning the whole legal system is a grey area. Which I suppose it is if you look at it like that. It is always a decision the CPS will make whether it is in the public interest to bring a prosecution. With all offences not just ones related to sex.

Exactly mate and herein lies the problem, the law might say 16 but it isn't black and white in many cases but different shades of grey where even sentencing becomes subjective. What we would assume is that although the law says under 16 is illegal it is interpreted as how far from 16 and the other party is the minor the further the gap the more onus on the over 16 to justify their actions, anything say up to 20 is considered 50/50 if consentual after that it becomes varying degrees of what consistutes predatory behaviour. Hence IMO the full onus was put on the girl, anything else would have had to have resulted in a criminal conviction, I think the court lost sight of the fact that she was 13 and has a long life ahead of her to regret her promiscuous behaviour (if indeed she was)...we were all young and immature once.<br /><br />-- Wed Aug 07, 2013 12:53 pm --<br /><br />

The article stated she looked and acted older than she was. I don't know if she was sexually active or not but even if she was it doesn't give any 41 year old man the right to have sex with her. What is wrong with you ? How is it right at all. She could have been exploited all her life and thought that was the way of the world. The law says its not ok to prey on the young and vunerable but if you want to stick up for a grubby twat that had a hoard of child and animal sex abuse images on his PC then you go ahead

Once again your letting the fact your a woman rule your head. Its very wrong what was done, but facts need to be made available when a trial is taking place. I would castrate the twat then let him rot in jail, but facts should always be made aware in every case. Whats wrong with that?

The facts are put to the the court but mistakes have been made here a the sentence ridiculously lenient. I think society has a big problem when it can tell little girls they deserved to get molested by some dirty sweaty bastard that gets his rocks off watching people shag animals because she may have looked a little older than she was. we have hit the pits in my opinion

-- Wed Aug 07, 2013 11:35 am --

I'm amazed that's the only bit you saw. It's ok to blame a little girl but its typical that when I said I would take blame and society would take blame that you only saw the part that I mention "Men" why can't men take some responsibility ? Do you not believe I made any valid points at all ?

Have you ever worked with teenagers? Specifically teenagers in a rough area? I'm all for protecting children, if I wasn't I wouldn't work in a school, but on the other hand, I'm all too aware of what some teenagers are like, I've seen first hand how manipulative and intelligent these kids are. This is not to pardon the Paedo, he is quite clearly in the wrong and I don't think anyone is saying otherwise, but to think this girl is vulnerable is naive in the extreme.

Yes I actually have worked as a teacher with 15/16 year old girls
Yes they lived in rough areas
I live in a rough area and have all my lifeI have two teenage sons
I was a teen mother
I have lived through some very harsh times and seen things at an an age and experienced things I shouldn't experience

How rough? The sort of place you'd eat chips and gravy over a bin?

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

Maybe I will be glad when all forms of porn are removed from the net and society and I see no more pairs of bare breasts in my newspaper because I think we may have gone more than beyond the lowest level when we start queuing up to defend child molesters.

I see women sexualised all the time, it's normal now and we are seen as objects for men to ogle and we are never good enough for you if we haven't had our breasts enlarged to an abnormally overstuffed size. Every stretchmark, follicle of hair or blemish removed and even then we aren't good enough for you. We're too sexy, not sexy enough, too thin too fat. Is it any fooking wonder our little girls are so confused ? Too bent out trying to please men and a society where all you have to do is be perfect.

Men want sexy but then it's your fault for trying to be to too sexy and you asked for it. So I'd like all this stopped now so we can get back to a decent moral society when we know what wrong is. I'll happily take some responsibility for having a dress too short if you like, I'm a big girl i can take it but I won't ever ever accept a child being told she deserved it because she acted to sexy or older than she was.

Wobble your heads please !

Nobody on this thread has defended child molesters, Bob.
Some have made the perfectly valid and accurate point that the girl in question was sexually conversant, but not one person has said that this justifies statutory rape.
I'm not happy with the sexualisation of young girls in the media, but then nobody else has stated that it is a good idea either.
I appreciate that this is a subject that you feel strongly about as a parent yourself, as am I, but to accuse posters of defending a paedophile is harsh and unfair.

A 15/16 year old I could possible say could be responsible for a relationship that was sexual with a guy around her own age. 12/13 year olds cannot be put anywhere near that even if they consent. It's totally unacceptable

I agree 100%, and I consider this sentence far too lenient personally.
But a judge has to take into account all mitigating factors when handing down a punishment, and clearly the fact that the girl in question was sexually aware, and was not forced to have sex against her will were such factors.