15 minute cities

Councils have long chased the unprotected business rates as a source of revenue. Approving over supply of retail space within their boundaries that had no basis in demand, often in partnership with developers. The idea was simple, especially for the decaying industrial towns and cities, replace industry with retail. The execution was woeful, retail retail retail - no capacity for the holistic needs of consumers - food and entertainment. Towns would compete with one another for business… a real if you build it they will come approach.

Initially these shopping centres focused on our town and city centres but the rise of retail parks and out of town shopping centres provided consumers with easy car access, businesses with easy access for their lorries and the councils didn’t much care so long as they could collect business rates from somewhere. Everyone was happy. Well mostly. Except the high street and the small local businesses that have always been it’s life blood - these weren’t the business these soulless retail parks wanted, they want national businesses to commit to taking up space on a national level - you’ve only got to look at the repetitive nature of them.

I’m not entirely sure who owns the land, in some cases it’s the pension/investment funds - banks themselves wouldn’t naturally want to - unfortunately they may end up with little choice as these businesses go under. Obviously the pandemic has exasperated the plight of retail in this country, but it was already in terminal decline.

How do you solve it? That’s the big question. There is no single simple solution - if there was they’d have solved it long ago. There may not even be a solution. It boils down to what I think stops me wanting to head in to town rather than the retail park. Firstly there aren’t any shops in my nearest, very deprived, town that make me want to head into it. As it’s deprived there are lots of people with issues bobbing around town, another reason not to venture in. It used to be very affluent like many towns, the decaying façade pays tribute to a time past, the last department store that had stood there for over 100 years shuttered before the pandemic. Co-op and other nationals had long since fled. The weekly market no longer provides a reason to head in. The chips are worth it but the birds attack you so don’t bother any more. I’d probably start by slashing business rates to encourage new startups to setup shop in our towns to try and get that footfall again, the high street is not what it once was where we would head for all our needs, it now needs a great combination of shops, food and entertainment to entice people in. Like you say all that takes huge investment and courage and even that won’t guarantee success. In Scotland they muted banning new retail parks but it feels like that horse has long bolted.

Back to the thread, wasn’t Milton Keynes supposed to be a 15 minute city? Everything broken into 1mile square blocks that were to serve every need and form their own communities. Those communities then formed together to be the identity of the city. How did that work out?
As ever mate, a thoughtful and interesting post,

I am no lover of retail parks or shopping malls. I do not like big supermarkets so where possible I try and use smaller local owned shops, There is deffo a case for cutting business rates for small independent shops.
 
It's still there last I checked ;)

But seriously it seems like the plan sort of worked, it has one of the lowest average commute times in the country, but is too road reliant - probably a side effect of 1960's optimisim towards the car.

The weird thing about the 15 minute City debate on here is that in the UK & Europe we pretty much already have it. Any town or city that was created pre-automobile is simply made up of small neighbourhoods with your local highstreet that used to be individual towns and now form 15 minute cities within a larger city - which is the idea.

It's only in America where a lot of their cities were planned after 1910 around the car that people don't have access to things withing walking distance.

Lol. I went there once for a gig, it’s a strange contrived place. The issue I see with the Milton Keynes experiment, and something the 15 minute city should pay attention to, is behind the glossy architect drawings and sketches of happy families out enjoying leisure time and the utopia of self contained communities is that whilst the vision of building it maybe simple buildings themselves don’t create communities. People do. You can’t draw peoples emotional response to the concrete environment, and this response fundamentally governs if people will use the space as intended and if they won’t then it is doomed to fail.

Architects design empty spaces with theoretical uses, experts in human behaviours need to create the soul.
 
As ever mate, a thoughtful and interesting post,

I am no lover of retail parks or shopping malls. I do not like big supermarkets so where possible I try and use smaller local owned shops, There is deffo a case for cutting business rates for small independent shops.

As always mate we may sit on opposite sides of the political spectrum but we both want the same thing. I actually echo @Lowtower sentiment in that left and right isn’t actually a helpful narrative but rather we should shift the conversation to what’s fair and unfair. Imagine the conversation shifting from saying “shut up ya leftie tosser/ right wing nut job” to “what a crazy fair idea that is, how very dare you”.

Anyroad back on topic. You see some shopping malls trying to fill empty space with community projects like honesty libraries - maybe there is a case for reimagining how we can use this space for the community that serves wider problems as well as creates reason to head in to town, a walk in GP clinic, a library, a generic bank branch where you can do all your banking regardless of who you actually bank with. I’m sure there are plenty of potential uses. This creates the community, this gets footfall back for non retail reason. Overlay this with a more obvious police presence with dibble on the beat and these places can come back to life. We do see some of these things occurring piecemeal but it needs strategy and joined up thinking at all levels and most obviously long term funding commitments.
 
This has brought some controversy to Oxford where various RW groups rook to the streets to protest against them

https://www.itv.com/news/meridian/2...rotest-in-oxford-against-ltn-15-minute-cities

What are they


Conspiracy nuts do not like them


Simply put, the 15-minute city principle suggests you should have your daily needs – work, food, healthcare, education, culture and leisure – within a 15-minute walk or bike ride from where you live.

Has anybody got any thoughts on them?

As hunter/gatherers we moved to where the food was located. As farmers we grew the food close by. Now, we believe that living in close proximity to our needs is somehow a fiendish plot.

Dumb fucks.
 
I don't think this goes far enough, we need snipers on every rooftop so anyone with the audacity to step out of their zone is immediately shot.

Also if you remain in your zone but think about leaving it your mobile phone should be able to give you a mild electric shock as warning.

If this doesn't work then we should step it up to 15 second rooms, plenty of time to squeeze one out, flush and then be back in your living room.
 
If you live in a dump of an area you would be trapped there? It sounds like a nice way for well to do people to keep the riff raff out.

It's a no from me.
Twas a resounding NO....( over 90%) ..from the people of Oxford
when they were asked to vote on the proposals.

The Council arrogantly declared..we're gonna do it anyway.

That's what concerns me.,...and others may wish to ponder their position,if their Local Council acted in a similar manner...on any given subject.

Mobile credits is a thing..many folk will have to muse over
Coming soon..to a town or City near you.
 
Cheshire West are the next council to show interest ..
according to the Northwich + Winsford Guardian.

Apparently " no detailed proposals or time scales for implementation have been determined at this time " ( a bare face lie imo)

Canterbury Cambridge Ipswich Bristol Birmingham Sheffield Bath ,Derby...all to consider following suit

15 min rule...."Do not leave your designated district too frequently!!"

Coming soon to a town/City near you...
 

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