Ha ha ha, Rag fans are fucked!This has brought some controversy to Oxford where various RW groups rook to the streets to protest against them
https://www.itv.com/news/meridian/2...rotest-in-oxford-against-ltn-15-minute-cities
What are they
15-minute city - Wikipedia
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Conspiracy nuts do not like them
In praise of the ‘15-minute city’ – the mundane planning theory terrifying conspiracists | Oliver Wainwright
The frightening prospect of greener, people-friendly streets has sent the online right – and Tory MPs – into a tailspin, says Guardian architecture critic Oliver Wainwrightwww.theguardian.com
Simply put, the 15-minute city principle suggests you should have your daily needs – work, food, healthcare, education, culture and leisure – within a 15-minute walk or bike ride from where you live.
Has anybody got any thoughts on them?
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mexico1970
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The only notable thing on that list that isn't close to home for most people is work, if you work in an office environment that's fine and dandy but what if you get your hands dirty for a living, for these people nothing will change.
Why don't they just call it "Shut all offices and work from home" instead of roping in all the people whose life wouldn't alter a jot through this already mostly in place idea?
I'm not sure how it works, apart from a hub and spoke model it can't really as you would be dragged out the way. You can't have school playing fields in a city centre, and the classification of a city doesn't exist in most countries.
Seen the Netherlands brought up on here, they don't do it, students get free transport so nearly all live at home and travel to uni. It sounds more like a retirement village scenario and lacking choice, or rebadging placemaking.
Seen the Netherlands brought up on here, they don't do it, students get free transport so nearly all live at home and travel to uni. It sounds more like a retirement village scenario and lacking choice, or rebadging placemaking.
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On Deansgate mainly. Other areas less so
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This has brought some controversy to Oxford where various RW groups rook to the streets to protest against them
https://www.itv.com/news/meridian/2...rotest-in-oxford-against-ltn-15-minute-cities
What are they
15-minute city - Wikipedia
Conspiracy nuts do not like them
In praise of the ‘15-minute city’ – the mundane planning theory terrifying conspiracists | Oliver Wainwright
The frightening prospect of greener, people-friendly streets has sent the online right – and Tory MPs – into a tailspin, says Guardian architecture critic Oliver Wainwright
Simply put, the 15-minute city principle suggests you should have your daily needs – work, food, healthcare, education, culture and leisure – within a 15-minute walk or bike ride from where you live.
Has anybody got any thoughts on them?
Which various RW groups was it ?
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Oh fair enough, didn’t see it mentioned in the article or video from link
Looked like a bloody retirement homes day out on that video
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All 3 of them have posted stuff on twitter and I expect facebook proudly from the protest, Lawrence fox was also there
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Councils have long chased the unprotected business rates as a source of revenue. Approving over supply of retail space within their boundaries that had no basis in demand, often in partnership with developers. The idea was simple, especially for the decaying industrial towns and cities, replace industry with retail. The execution was woeful, retail retail retail - no capacity for the holistic needs of consumers - food and entertainment. Towns would compete with one another for business… a real if you build it they will come approach.
Initially these shopping centres focused on our town and city centres but the rise of retail parks and out of town shopping centres provided consumers with easy car access, businesses with easy access for their lorries and the councils didn’t much care so long as they could collect business rates from somewhere. Everyone was happy. Well mostly. Except the high street and the small local businesses that have always been it’s life blood - these weren’t the business these soulless retail parks wanted, they want national businesses to commit to taking up space on a national level - you’ve only got to look at the repetitive nature of them.
I’m not entirely sure who owns the land, in some cases it’s the pension/investment funds - banks themselves wouldn’t naturally want to - unfortunately they may end up with little choice as these businesses go under. Obviously the pandemic has exasperated the plight of retail in this country, but it was already in terminal decline.
How do you solve it? That’s the big question. There is no single simple solution - if there was they’d have solved it long ago. There may not even be a solution. It boils down to what I think stops me wanting to head in to town rather than the retail park. Firstly there aren’t any shops in my nearest, very deprived, town that make me want to head into it. As it’s deprived there are lots of people with issues bobbing around town, another reason not to venture in. It used to be very affluent like many towns, the decaying façade pays tribute to a time past, the last department store that had stood there for over 100 years shuttered before the pandemic. Co-op and other nationals had long since fled. The weekly market no longer provides a reason to head in. The chips are worth it but the birds attack you so don’t bother any more. I’d probably start by slashing business rates to encourage new startups to setup shop in our towns to try and get that footfall again, the high street is not what it once was where we would head for all our needs, it now needs a great combination of shops, food and entertainment to entice people in. Like you say all that takes huge investment and courage and even that won’t guarantee success. In Scotland they muted banning new retail parks but it feels like that horse has long bolted.
Back to the thread, wasn’t Milton Keynes supposed to be a 15 minute city? Everything broken into 1mile square blocks that were to serve every need and form their own communities. Those communities then formed together to be the identity of the city. How did that work out?
It's still there last I checked ;)
But seriously it seems like the plan sort of worked, it has one of the lowest average commute times in the country, but is too road reliant - probably a side effect of 1960's optimisim towards the car.
The weird thing about the 15 minute City debate on here is that in the UK & Europe we pretty much already have it. Any town or city that was created pre-automobile is simply made up of small neighbourhoods with your local highstreet that used to be individual towns and now form 15 minute cities within a larger city - which is the idea.
It's only in America where a lot of their cities were planned after 1910 around the car that people don't have access to things withing walking distance.