15 minute cities

[WestGorton]

Urban village concept really I think. Ancoats is going this way.

 

[domalino]

that is a stunning comparison to make. (If it's intended seriously, which surely it can't be?)

It's incredible.

"Hey wouldn't it be good if we planned towns and cities so everyone can have access to the things they need without needing a car?"

"You'll never put me back in a ghetto, hitler!"

The irony is that @Rascal opened this thread questioning how conspiracy nuts could manage to twist and mangle a basic concept of convenience into something despotic, and several posters immediately took upon themselves to do exactly that.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

It's incredible.

"Hey wouldn't it be good if we planned towns and cities so everyone can have access to the things they need without needing a car?"

"You'll never put me back in a ghetto, hitler!"

The irony is that @Rascal opened this thread questioning how conspiracy nuts could manage to twist and mangle a basic concept of convenience into something despotic, and several posters immediately took upon themselves to do exactly that.

And I was making, or rather parodying, the point that the conspiracy theorists are making. So if people think it's ridiculous, then I'm perfectly fine with that.

 

[domalino]

And I was making, or rather parodying, the point that the conspiracy theorists are making. So if people think it's ridiculous, then I'm perfectly fine with that.

Sorry, the parody was lost on me because the previous 8 pages has several people genuinely thinking "you don't need to drive" means "you're not allowed to leave"

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Sorry, the parody was lost on me because the previous 8 pages has several people genuinely thinking "you don't need to drive" with "you're not allowed to leave"

Which is exactly what the conspiracy theorists are saying. That you'll be stuck in your local zone and will need permission to leave. Like a ghetto.

 

[Manc in London]

But how are you going to do that. I'm sure it's already many times cheaper to set up an office in Uxbridge rather than central London, but companies aren't do it. How much incentive can you give them?

Lots of businesses have moved to outer London boroughs so it has worked.

 

[Manc in London]

We have amenities as close as they want anyway, what do people want a hospital with all the specialist facilities within walking distance? That just isn't feasible and it's quite frankly ludicrous.

Urban development might sound catchy but in reality we already have it.

Who said hospitals with all facilities? That's simply not going to happen because of scarcity (financial and specialised surgeons etc..). I think you created your own straw man.

 

[mexico1970]

Who said hospitals with all facilities? That's simply not going to happen because of scarcity (financial and specialised surgeons etc..). I think you created your own straw man.

So what do they want then? Everything is already closer to home, I haven't created a straw man I have stated that it's a bellwhiff of an idea because we already have it.

 

[mexico1970]

Urban village concept really I think. Ancoats is going this way.

The building of skyscrapers in the city would tell us that this isn't happening at all, in fact we are going full on NY sunny side up.

 

[Manc in London]

It worked until they forced business to a specific area.

If people can do all their activities of daily living within 15 minutes of their home are they not already doing so? If not, why not? I can tell you it won’t be because the local council or government haven’t told them to. The high street is dying in front of our eyes, why? Because people most don’t need or want it anymore we have the internet supermarkets and retail parks. Local authorities have watched this unfurl, approving these monolithic shopping areas like they are going out of fashion, bereft of any ideas how to stem the flow of decline on the high street not realising it’s them killing it, yet now those same visionaries grasp the weeds of this romantic idea hoping to save their jobs for another decade.

Thank fuck I live in the countryside.

I think you will find most of the land shopping centres are built on are owned by banks, pension funds etc., rather than councils. Councils have to have good reason to turn down planning submissions. I don't think 'we reject it as people prefer the internet' is a strong argument. Do you expect the councils to reject the applications and then pay £0000s in legal fees only to have the applications agreed by the Planning Inspectorate?

What should councils do with the high street/town centres? I have my own ideas but you seem to suggest you know where councils are going wrong so you would know what is best.

As for saying councils are bereft of ideas. Maybe but what resources do they have to spend? Capital improvements do not come cheap.