15 minute cities

The council deny this.

The full press release FAQ is here - https://news.oxfordshire.gov.uk/joint-statement-from-oxfordshire-
You missed the bit that said 7% of people said they supported the idea, 8% didn't (so 85% indifferent) but the opponents decided to turn 7% support into a stat of 93% opposed.

In most of these schemes, it ends up as support from residents in the local areas, and opposed by those who don't live there but like driving through and polluting those areas (and locals who live on the roads they divert to). The theory is that in many cases the traffic just disappears - either goes other routes entirely, or people do change their mode of travel and walk or cycle more or take public transport.

There was always the theory of "equilibrium" whereby regular drivers changed route to spread congestion so no route was quicker. Satnav does that trick instantly. In one area people were "removing" no through road info from Google maps then complaining when HGVs got stuck.
 
Fuck me I travel 3. Hours to get to work. Then it could take another hour or 2 to actually get the the exact place where I am working. Granted I stay over during the week
 
This will be the slang term for motorists when the scheme is underway

Husband: can u nip to the hospital and pick Granny up?

Wife: you,'ll have to go..I've got no credit.
Are you saying that travel will be limited like mobile phone minutes?
 
You missed the bit that said 7% of people said they supported the idea, 8% didn't (so 85% indifferent) but the opponents decided to turn 7% support into a stat of 93% opposed.

Sorry thought I got it in my screen shot. But yes the point is the 90% figure as you say appears to be nonsense and deliberately being misquoted.
 
Councils have long chased the unprotected business rates as a source of revenue. Approving over supply of retail space within their boundaries that had no basis in demand, often in partnership with developers. The idea was simple, especially for the decaying industrial towns and cities, replace industry with retail. The execution was woeful, retail retail retail - no capacity for the holistic needs of consumers - food and entertainment. Towns would compete with one another for business… a real if you build it they will come approach.

Initially these shopping centres focused on our town and city centres but the rise of retail parks and out of town shopping centres provided consumers with easy car access, businesses with easy access for their lorries and the councils didn’t much care so long as they could collect business rates from somewhere. Everyone was happy. Well mostly. Except the high street and the small local businesses that have always been it’s life blood - these weren’t the business these soulless retail parks wanted, they want national businesses to commit to taking up space on a national level - you’ve only got to look at the repetitive nature of them.

I’m not entirely sure who owns the land, in some cases it’s the pension/investment funds - banks themselves wouldn’t naturally want to - unfortunately they may end up with little choice as these businesses go under. Obviously the pandemic has exasperated the plight of retail in this country, but it was already in terminal decline.

How do you solve it? That’s the big question. There is no single simple solution - if there was they’d have solved it long ago. There may not even be a solution. It boils down to what I think stops me wanting to head in to town rather than the retail park. Firstly there aren’t any shops in my nearest, very deprived, town that make me want to head into it. As it’s deprived there are lots of people with issues bobbing around town, another reason not to venture in. It used to be very affluent like many towns, the decaying façade pays tribute to a time past, the last department store that had stood there for over 100 years shuttered before the pandemic. Co-op and other nationals had long since fled. The weekly market no longer provides a reason to head in. The chips are worth it but the birds attack you so don’t bother any more. I’d probably start by slashing business rates to encourage new startups to setup shop in our towns to try and get that footfall again, the high street is not what it once was where we would head for all our needs, it now needs a great combination of shops, food and entertainment to entice people in. Like you say all that takes huge investment and courage and even that won’t guarantee success. In Scotland they muted banning new retail parks but it feels like that horse has long bolted.

Back to the thread, wasn’t Milton Keynes supposed to be a 15 minute city? Everything broken into 1mile square blocks that were to serve every need and form their own communities. Those communities then formed together to be the identity of the city. How did that work out?
Business Rate Retention by the collection authority only came in April 2013. Before then it went to central Gov and was divvied out. Similar with Council Tax, the more you collected the more your Revenue Support Grant was reduced the next year until localisation in 2013.

The Gov has vastly reduced any grants and want LAs to be self sufficient, hence letting them retain a proportion of proportion of business rates.
 
The conspiracy around this bizzare.

Why do the people who believe these things not focus on the actual, genuine efforts to control us by the current government. Restricting the right to protest, restricting the right to strike, replacing the human rights act, removing our freedom of movement around the EU.

These are things that the current Government has actually done or are actively trying to do.
 
I don't think this goes far enough, we need snipers on every rooftop so anyone with the audacity to step out of their zone is immediately shot.

Also if you remain in your zone but think about leaving it your mobile phone should be able to give you a mild electric shock as warning.

If this doesn't work then we should step it up to 15 second rooms, plenty of time to squeeze one out, flush and then be back in your living room.
Even a minimal amount of constipation will prevent you squeezing out a Richard, flushing it, and getting back in your living room in 15 seconds. And 15 seconds doesn't even cover post-dump hand-washing as covid means we have to sing a silly ditty while washing them.
 
Are you saying that travel will be limited like mobile phone minutes?

I thought he was taking the piss out of the loons with all the restricted travel, don’t leave your area stuff…but now I think he actually is one?
 

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