16 | Rodri - 2021/22 Performances

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

Some players in our side are vastly underappreciated or outright disliked - Gundo and Rodri are at the top of this list.

 

[southamptonblue]

Some players in our side are vastly underappreciated or outright disliked - Gundo and Rodri are at the top of this list.

Said it many times.....our fans hate on our own players way more than any other teams, it's pathetic.

 

[ScottSinclair]

He is a better defensive midfielder for us than Dinho and has been for a year

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

He is a better defensive midfielder for us than Dinho and has been for a year

It honestly depends on the game - if we're in control and are bossing mid - yes.

If mid is contested and we need a pacy destroyer - then not at all. Rodri is not a DM destroyer - not at all.

 

[FromPollockToSilva]

Since Rodri joined City we have lost just one of 19 Champions League that he has started (1-3 against Lyon)

His record against the rest of the top 4 is definitely patchier. Good against Liverpool (P4 W2 D1 L1), mixed against Chelsea (P5 W2 D0 L3, but all tight games (GD-1)), poor against the Rags (P7 W2 D1 L4)

He is certainly less effective against extremely competent counter-attacking sides, but then again we are in general

Also where did the idea that he's less good at long passes than Fernandinho come from? He plays far more long balls than Fernandinho. Dinho is much better at carrying the ball and driving through the middle, but Rodri has the edge on passing

 

[Phil Mitchell Foden]

From "People don't rate Rodri for good reason" to "At no point have I tried to speak for other people". You need to read posts properly, especially your own.

I think you need to brush up on your reading comprehension, and/or stop being dishonest about other peoples arguments when you can't present your own.

I was specifically referring to people who don't rate Rodri, and that's clear from the context of what I wrote.

The OP I was responding to made a generalisation about people who don't rate Rodri, effectively saying that they're simpletons who don't understand what they're watching. That's patently nonsense, and I responded detailing why people may not rate Rodri. Pretty straightforward.

 

[Phil Mitchell Foden]

Sorry - he player more often than any other player. 53 times to be exact. I said that earlier and it would have made what I meant obvious but you didn’t bother reading my points from me earlier so you missed that.


Rodri played 2750 PL minutes last season.
Fernandinho: 1185 mins
Dias played fewer than 100 more minutes than Rodri in the PL.
and yes Ederson played more minutes than any City player in the PL, he’s the fucking goalkeeper. Rodri still played more times in all competitions than Ederson.


Fernandinho wasn’t 36 last season - he was 35 - that is nursery level maths. Another point I made earlier and you clearly didn’t bother reading.

Oh look, another bold faced lie. Rodri played 785 Champions League minutes last season, Fernandinho played 342 (fewer than half).

I know maths isn’t your strong point but 785 is a bigger number than 342.



Honestly cannot believe you were complaining about arrogance you are one of the most obnoxiously arrogant people I have ever interacted with on here.

It wasn't a bold faced lie, I made a mistake. I selected the wrong season by accident. I can see that now by going back. Thank you for pointing that out.

You've responded to the case I've presented throughout the thread by selecting pieces of it, devoid of all context of what I was saying and the point being made, and then writing dishonest rebuttals and non arguments in response.

You have the occasional point in there but it's not worth responding to when you completely dishonestly misrepresent my argument to try and undermine it, and some of your responses are just plain asinine.

Not worth the effort. If you want a proper discussion then you don't respond the way you have here.

I only responded the way I did to the OP because he implied that people who don't rate Rodri highly, like me, are simpletons. Of course I'm going to take issue with that.

The way you've engaged with me in response to my first message is buffoonish.

 

[kun]

It wasn't a bold faced lie, I made a mistake. I selected the wrong season by accident. I can see that now by going back. Thank you for pointing that out.

Fair enough. It felt like a lie as it conformed with your beliefs. Apologies if it was an honest mistake.

You've responded to the case I've presented throughout the thread by selecting pieces of it, devoid of all context of what I was saying and the point being made, and then writing dishonest rebuttals and non arguments in response.

And this constitutes as an argument does it??
Dishonest - Nonsense.
I responeded to the whole of your post bit by bit because it is extremely long and poorly written. I can only make sense of each bad argument one at a time

You have the occasional point in there but it's not worth responding to when you completely dishonestly misrepresent my argument to try and undermine it, and some of your responses are just plain asinine.

You realise you are doing exactly what you are accusing me of, right?
I'm not being dishonest about your arument at all. Your arguments have been:
"Rodri isn't good enough"
"We haven't replaced Fernandinho"
"Pep has lost trust in Rodri"

All of which I argued with, point by point, but instead of engaging the the argument you just said I didn't have any arguments (even though I clearly do).

Not worth the effort. If you want a proper discussion then you don't respond the way you have here.

Right back at you. Goodnight.

I only responded the way I did to the OP because he implied that people who don't rate Rodri highly, like me, are simpletons. Of course I'm going to take issue with that.

I have no issue with this part of your argument. No one is a simpleton for not rating Rodri. I just tried to show you that I do rate him, as do 3 of the worlds best managers.

The way you've engaged with me in response to my first message is buffoonish.

Right back at you. Goodnight.

 

[samarasra]

Spectacularly missed the point fella, just like our mate @kun.

The player in the holding role does have the cosiest job on the pitch - when we're in possession. They have freedom of the entire pitch and options all over the place. Given we're the most dominant possession side in the country, that's the vast majority of time. And that's my point.

When we're out of possession, that's when the player in the holding role really gets tested, and when their job really becomes much more difficult. Then, they have to be the full package.

And this is precisely my point, and why Rodri's flaws only show up so often, because we're so dominant, but when they do show up they're absolutely glaring because they're often in the biggest games in tightly contested fixtures.

It's the cosiest role on the pitch when we're bossing it and dominating dross everyweek, which is most of the time. But as an all round role, it's one of the most testing and important roles in the whole side. The player that plays that role is pivotal to the football we play, in possession and out of possession.

Pep had Xavi and Busquets there at Barca, Alonso and Lahm at Bayern.

A player playing that role doesn't have to have Xavi's passing range to be a success, or not be a liability as the bare minimum. They don't have to be a Kante/Fernandinho hybrid to be a success when we're out of possession to be a success in that role, but they have to do the fundamentals well. And ultimately I feel this is Rodri's biggest flaw.

He's not the most gifted footballer, he's reasonable in possession, prone to the odd error and doesn't really have a killer pass in him, but he keeps the ball ticking over well enough and doesn't lose possession a great deal. That's not ideal in the role, but it's passable if defensively he was sold - but he isn't. At all. It's his single biggest flaw.

I'm not even commenting on Bissouma's suitability btw, just observing that we haven't adequately replaced Fernandinho as far as I'm concerned. And this grows more and more obvious the more time passes.

I didn't miss your point/points, I disagree with them, you cannot even make your mind up as to what his "biggest flaw" is "but they have to do the fundamentals well. And ultimately I feel this is Rodri's biggest flaw" 3 lines later " if defensively he was sold - but he isn't. At all. It's his single biggest flaw."

 

[samarasra]

In possession, our Goalkeeper has the cosiest job. In fact 99% of the time Ederson has the easiest job in the team.


Well it's not my fault if you can't remember many of the excellent off the ball performances Rodri put in last season.
Fernandinho's flaws also get shown up in some big games. That what happens in big games. The same has happened to Stones, Aké, Kompany, Silva, Sterling, Agüero, Jesus etc etc. Big games are more difficult, so if you have flaws (which every footballer on the planet does) they will sometimes be shown up by top drawer players.

"Rodri's flaws show up so often" then how did he start 14 of our 21 winning streak?
playing against Chelsea, Arsenal, Tottenham, Liverpool. Winning all of them (obviously). Surely not if his flaws always get exposed against the big boys. He also played, and won, 10 Champions League games last season (including PSG away and Dortmund home and away), conceding just 2 goals in total.


And? What is your point?

He also had Puyol and Márquez, and Ribery and Robben. So?


Can't make heads or tails of this sentence. It's actually gibberish.
(Sorry if there is some typo that has completely had me, genuinely can't understand this)


He does the fundamentals well, that is why he loses the ball less than anyone else.


He literally created a goal with a killer pass yesterday. How bad is your memory ffs.


That is because Fernandinho is still here. If he'd have left we'd replace him.
Did we replace Kompany before he left? or Silva? or Agüero? No.

Pep Guardiola, Diego Simeone and Luis Enrique all rate him very highly.
"Phil Mitchell Foden" from Bluemoon thinks he's shit.

I know who's football opinions I trust more.

A well thought out post, in short, fully agree with you.

 

[samarasra]

I think you need to brush up on your reading comprehension, and/or stop being dishonest about other peoples arguments when you can't present your own.

I was specifically referring to people who don't rate Rodri, and that's clear from the context of what I wrote.

The OP I was responding to made a generalisation about people who don't rate Rodri, effectively saying that they're simpletons who don't understand what they're watching. That's patently nonsense, and I responded detailing why people may not rate Rodri. Pretty straightforward.

No problem with my reading or comprehension, it's part of my profession. "Dishonest" !! : I suggest you read your own posts, which have been comprehensively addressed in the past 18 pages imo.
"I responded detailing why people may not rate Rodri. Pretty straightforward." but you said "At no point have I tried to speak for other people." very straightforward indeed. Have a good day.

 

[Phil Mitchell Foden]

Fair enough. It felt like a lie as it conformed with your beliefs. Apologies if it was an honest mistake.


And this constitutes as an argument does it??
Dishonest - Nonsense.
I responeded to the whole of your post bit by bit because it is extremely long and poorly written. I can only make sense of each bad argument one at a time


You realise you are doing exactly what you are accusing me of, right?
I'm not being dishonest about your arument at all. Your arguments have been:
"Rodri isn't good enough"
"We haven't replaced Fernandinho"
"Pep has lost trust in Rodri"

All of which I argued with, point by point, but instead of engaging the the argument you just said I didn't have any arguments (even though I clearly do).


Right back at you. Goodnight.


I have no issue with this part of your argument. No one is a simpleton for not rating Rodri. I just tried to show you that I do rate him, as do 3 of the worlds best managers.


Right back at you. Goodnight.

You're still doing it. Not getting anywhere here are we. Let's just agree to disagree.

 

[Phil Mitchell Foden]

I didn't miss your point/points, I disagree with them, you cannot even make your mind up as to what his "biggest flaw" is "but they have to do the fundamentals well. And ultimately I feel this is Rodri's biggest flaw" 3 lines later " if defensively he was sold - but he isn't. At all. It's his single biggest flaw.

You and kun would make a good double act. Nitpicking, dishonest and asinine in the way you argue and don't address the body of what was said in any real legitimate manner. I make a real effort to explain my perspective and get this shite in response.

Rodri has flaws, plural. I stand by my comment that his single biggest weakness, or flaw, is the defensive aspect of his game - but of course that isn't one single thing. You're right. It's a collection of things he doesn't do that well. Flaws, plural.

But yeah, well argued, really made me consider my views and look at it from a different perspective.

 

[kun]

You and kun would make a good double act. Nitpicking, dishonest and asinine in the way you argue and don't address the body of what was said in any real legitimate manner..

I did but you didn’t bother to read it

 

[samarasra]

You and kun would make a good double act. Nitpicking, dishonest and asinine in the way you argue and don't address the body of what was said in any real legitimate manner. I make a real effort to explain my perspective and get this shite in response.

Rodri has flaws, plural. I stand by my comment that his single biggest weakness, or flaw, is the defensive aspect of his game - but of course that isn't one single thing. You're right. It's a collection of things he doesn't do that well. Flaws, plural.

But yeah, well argued, really made me consider my views and look at it from a different perspective.

What a wit, and so eloquent, you explained your perspective very clearly, without much reference to others perspective or reality imo. Imo your perspective is not based on a factual basis, you wouldn't even finish reading the post of someone who was clearly making reasoned counter points. I understood your perspective I simply disagree with it.

 

[mccity]

 

[kaz7]

Let’s see how he does against top 4 opposition. He will be found out as he always is.
Playing fucking Norwich and he’s a world class player.

Found out so bad he has managed to be in the title and cup winning teams..

 

[kaz7]

Biggest amount of pretentious waffle I've ever read, arrogant too.

People don't rate Rodri for good reason, and it's not because they're simpletons that don't understand what they're watching. For a side like us, Rodri's got the cosiest job. He plays for the most dominant possession side in the league, the vast majority of the time his job is just to keep the ball ticking over and maintain the tempo out the back.

He's not got the array of killer passes that Fernandinho has, can't spray a diagonal like Fernandinho can, but he can keep the ball ticking over and moves it decently enough.

Out of possession though his job is to sit in front of the back four and press the man at the right moments, follow runners, intercept passes, win his one v ones, cover ground, get challenges in and come away with the ball.

And he's not very good at it.

Positionally he's not the best, he'll often come out and press with little to no intensity, and get strolled around leaving his man running through at the exposed back four. In a foot race shoulder to shoulder he loses every time. He's not great in the challenge. Physically he gets outmuscled a lot, especially shoulder to shoulder. He's very leggy and doesn't cover ground well.

You don't see this all that frequently when we're spamming dross like Norwich though, but even then there are occasional glimpses.

But it's when we play an evenly matched side that these flaws are really exposed. Chelsea, United, Liverpool etc etc.

Rodri isn't Baresi. He's not Claude Makele, he's not Busquets.

He's struggling to be undisputed number one in his position at the club, and his only other rival for that role is a 36 year old Fernandinho.

There's a reason for that, and you don't need to be a "football nerd" to understand why.

We haven't adequately replaced Fernandinho, and it should be a priority position for us to fill, just as much as a striker for me, if not more so. I will be absolutely amazed if we don't make it such soon.

I don't think it's unfair to speculate Pep has lost trust in Rodri. I think it's clear he has over the past 6 months. This year is absolutely huge for Rodri, make or break IMO. We will be looking for another 6 soon, just a question of if he's a guaranteed started or not.

He is not dinho , like nobody is dave , wrong to compare him

 

[DATOIA]

Some training sessions were needed and Mr Stable is back <3

 

[mccity]