17 | Kevin De Bruyne - 2022/23 Performances

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FantasyIreland said:
Moment of genius in an otherwise average display.

Obviously the difference though....and deservedly MOTM.
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Average? Even without his goal, he was the best on the pitch and produced our best chances: his shooting, Rodri's header alone after an excellent cross, Bernardo shoot after a wonderful back pass, counterattack with a wonderful cross that Gundo barely missed at the end, 1v1 to Alvarez(it was onside). Also, he ran a lot and continuously pressed

I see you comment a lot here (mostly negative of course), so let me ask. Who creates more than KDB in this team (especially in close matches)? Why do players always look for him when the match is close? If today was an average performance, then how do you rate everyone else that created way less that KDB? What does he need to do to not have an average performance in your opinion? Do you have a completely different way to measure his performances with respect to his teammates? Because that's the only possible explanation I can think of.
 
city warrior said:
Average? Even without his goal, he was the best on the pitch and produced our best chances: his shooting, Rodri's header alone after an excellent cross, Bernardo shoot after a wonderful back pass, counterattack with a wonderful cross that Gundo barely missed at the end, 1v1 to Alvarez(it was onside). Also, he ran a lot and continuously pressed

I see you comment a lot here (mostly negative of course), so let me ask. Who creates more than KDB in this team (especially in close matches)? Why do players always look for him when the match is close? If today was an average performance, then how do you rate everyone else that created way less that KDB? What does he need to do to not have an average performance in your opinion? Do you have a completely different way to measure his performances with respect to his teammates? Because that's the only possible explanation I can think of.
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I judge him to a higher standard because he is capable of such,so when those standards aren't reached I react and comment accordingly.That may be unfair criticism to some,but it's how I see things.

Yes he does wonderful things,he wins games and takes ykur breath away at times...but there is a flip and people like yourself never comment on such....the misplaced balls,the poor crosses,the inability to retain possession or losing more 50/50 balls than he wins....all these things happen amongst the magic,not my fault if you refuse to recognise it.
 
FantasyIreland said:
I judge him to a higher standard because he is capable of such,so when those standards aren't reached I react and comment accordingly.That may be unfair criticism to some,but it's how I see things.

Yes he does wonderful things,he wins games and takes ykur breath away at times...but there is a flip and people like yourself never comment on such....the misplaced balls,the poor crosses,the inability to retain possession or losing more 50/50 balls than he wins....all these things happen amongst the magic,not my fault if you refuse to recognise it.
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He completed 85% of the passes, that's incredibly high for how much risks he takes. No one in the team takes risks like KDB, it's obvious that he's asked to do that because he is by far the best in the team with his creativity and passing. Poor crosses? Sure you want us to pass the ball back again for the 20th time and recycle the play then? 50/50 balls, again he takes the risks especially when we have the possibility of a counterattack, and according to data Foden, Cancelo and Bernardo have lost more balls for our team than KDB.

Why should we care that he takes crazy risks in the last 25 yards? If it goes well, it creates a goal chance, if it goes bad then we should have a minimum of 5 players behind. If KDB creates 6 good chances and loses 2 balls that creates us danger, then it's still an incredibly ratio that I and any manager in the world would take. That means if we are more clinical, we should score 3 times more than the other team.
 
Personally thought it was a good showing from him even without the free kick.
Dr Jacoby said:
Statistically, he should be regarded as one of the best midfielders in PL history. Maybe even the best.
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I think he is certainly the most talented PL midfielder I've ever seen. People let longevity cloud their mindsets though. Stick a red shirt on KDB and he'd already be considered a shoe-in for best ever PL XI.
 
FantasyIreland said:
I judge him to a higher standard because he is capable of such,so when those standards aren't reached I react and comment accordingly.That may be unfair criticism to some,but it's how I see things.

Yes he does wonderful things,he wins games and takes ykur breath away at times...but there is a flip and people like yourself never comment on such....the misplaced balls,the poor crosses,the inability to retain possession or losing more 50/50 balls than he wins....all these things happen amongst the magic,not my fault if you refuse to recognise it.
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You either don't understand his playing style, or, don't rate him to be in our starting line up. When you compliment him, the few times you are, it's always conditional. It's as if you regret he's in our team. I think you'll be enjoyIng watching City much more after he leaves. In a few years you'll have your wish.

Meantime, he's building a legacy that will get him his much deserved statue.
 
MarsLlama said:
Personally thought it was a good showing from him even without the free kick.

I think he is certainly the most talented PL midfielder I've ever seen. People let longevity cloud their mindsets though. Stick a red shirt on KDB and he'd already be considered a shoe-in for best ever PL XI.
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I would even say he is arguably the best PL player ever.
 
RobertVentura said:
You either don't understand his playing style, or, don't rate him to be in our starting line up. When you compliment him, the few times you are, it's always conditional. It's as if you regret he's in our team. I think you'll be enjoyIng watching City much more after he leaves. In a few years you'll have your wish.

Meantime, he's building a legacy that will get him his much deserved statue.
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I cant be any clearer.....i love the player,he is up there with our all time very best.....but (much like Cancelo) there is a pay off with aspects of his game,which has become more apparent now he is in his 30's,that we have to cater for.

Do i think we can put a more cohesive 11 on the pitch without him? yes.

Do i think that limits our chance of a moment of magic,or a match winning moment of brilliance? yes.
 
city warrior said:
He completed 85% of the passes, that's incredibly high for how much risks he takes. No one in the team takes risks like KDB, it's obvious that he's asked to do that because he is by far the best in the team with his creativity and passing. Poor crosses? Sure you want us to pass the ball back again for the 20th time and recycle the play then? 50/50 balls, again he takes the risks especially when we have the possibility of a counterattack, and according to data Foden, Cancelo and Bernardo have lost more balls for our team than KDB.

Why should we care that he takes crazy risks in the last 25 yards? If it goes well, it creates a goal chance, if it goes bad then we should have a minimum of 5 players behind. If KDB creates 6 good chances and loses 2 balls that creates us danger, then it's still an incredibly ratio that I and any manager in the world would take. That means if we are more clinical, we should score 3 times more than the other team.
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If some people cannot understand what you say, I doubt any amount of persuasion will change the viewpoint.

The player with the most vision, and the best passer of a ball, takes the most risks in the final third.

For you and I that maybe a simple football concept, for some as unfathomable as a daytrip to Mars.
 
Nobody wants Kevin to lose his creativity or to stop taking risky passes.

But equally we can also say that he can have a tendency to lose possession of the ball due to lack of ball control or awareness that is more a strength to alot of the other players, this is why last years the discussion of him or Gundogan arose. He is dispossessed more than any other player on the team, every game. Not a passing stat.

That's just a weakness to his game, he isn't silky like Bernie or Silva.

That being said, the shooting technique and ridiculous passing level allow me to accept his weakness in favour of keeping those strengths.
 
Whenever there's a doubt, just play back that title winning goal last May. Absolutely ridiculous assist. No other player in the world would have come close to doing that
 
No player is perfect, and Kev's strengths far outweigh his weaknesses.

We've got a whole load of match control and possession retention all over the pitch in most of our possible starting line-ups (and if Kev does lose the ball, he's not exactly lazy or useless in winning it back).

If Pep wants him to work on protecting the ball more, he'll get him working on it. But his current rate of possession turnover doesn't really bother me because it's not actually that bad, and it's the price we pay for a creativity that few other players in world football would be able to provide.

Best attacking player in the league, for me.
 
Withnail said:
Sublime ball for the Alvarez goal, no one better in the world at playing that sort of pass.
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It was pure genius. The vision (to see it in the first place) and the execution (measured to the inch and weighted to perfection) were beyond brilliant.
I look forward to an England midfielder producing that sort of magic.
I fear I may have to wait a long time.
 
WallyA said:
Nobody wants Kevin to lose his creativity or to stop taking risky passes.

But equally we can also say that he can have a tendency to lose possession of the ball due to lack of ball control or awareness that is more a strength to alot of the other players, this is why last years the discussion of him or Gundogan arose. He is dispossessed more than any other player on the team, every game. Not a passing stat.

That's just a weakness to his game, he isn't silky like Bernie or Silva.

That being said, the shooting technique and ridiculous passing level allow me to accept his weakness in favour of keeping those strengths.
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Definitely. He should have had an assist against Leicester too. Gundogan just couldn't get there because he's not blessed with express pace these days. That ball was sensational too. As was the one for Alvarez and countless more he's played over the years - the one for Haaland against United was just sublime.

We need someone to drive us forwards and take that risk to break teams down. Especially when we have players like Haaland and Alvarez that like to make a run in behind. Otherwise it's all too predictable. De Bruyne can easily play the simple pass and keep the ball ticking over. He's not as good as others but he can do that job if required. But you'd be silly to tell the world's best player to change their game.
 
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