18 | Stefan Ortega - 2024/25

[01cravend]

Ederson has prevented more 1 v 1's than Ortega has faced.

More clangers than Ortegas had appearances too

 

[Barcon]

More clangers than Ortegas had appearances too

I'm not slagging off Ortega. There's plenty of cunts on this board to slag off our players.
I'm just pointing out that he prevents a lot of 1 v 1's.
Ortega saves more than Eddie only if you discount the fact that Eddie has beaten the forward to the ball (ie. a 1 v 1).
He also has made saves akin to that 2nd one today.

 

[ninjamonkey]

Respectable display. Really good save from that first corner. Everything else was routine. wouldn't expect him to stop any of the goals although I'll say with a lot of confidence there would be people suggesting exactly that if it had been Ederson in net.

Distribution seems to be getting worse although as I'd say with ederson, it's made a lot harder for him as there's nobody ever open for a pass over their first press anymore. We know he's an extremely capable backup so no surprises he was solid.

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

Superb save in the first minute.

Why he is having to be saving us like that in the first minute is the problem!

 

[domalino]

I'm not slagging off Ortega. There's plenty of cunts on this board to slag off our players.
I'm just pointing out that he prevents a lot of 1 v 1's.
Ortega saves more than Eddie only if you discount the fact that Eddie has beaten the forward to the ball (ie. a 1 v 1).
He also has made saves akin to that 2nd one today.

Ederson and 1v1s is a mixed bag. He can be really good at coming out and stopping them before it happens but if it’s not clear cut and the attacker gets on the ball…it’s a goal 9/10 times.

A goalkeeping analyst/coach broke it down really well about 3/4 years ago - he comes out too fast and makes the forwards mind up. Keepers who are good at 1v1s come out a bit, then stop so the attacker has to make the choice between going round or finishing past the keeper. Coming out a bit immediately puts pressure on the forward, but stopping keeps both options possible and it’s that indecision that slows things down, makes the forward take extra touches and lets the keeper either make a save or come out more and grab the ball after a bad touch. Keepers who stay rooted on their line have the same problem, the player immediately knows going around isn’t an option and just focuses on the finish.

Once you’ve seen it, almost every 1v1 with Ederson plays out the same way - it’s insane to me that no one at City has tried to fix this issue in the 8 years Ederson has been here.

To be honest I really don’t rate Xabi Mancisidor at all as a gk coach. He oversaw Casillas’ massive drop off in form at Real in 2010/11, Hart’s big drop off just before Pep arrived and IMO is a big reason Ederson’s no better a keeper than when he arrived from Benfica. I know fuck all about elite goalkeeping coaching but there’s a pattern.

I remember Brummie GK coach that’s occasionally on the guardian pod talking about how Mancinis GK coach always made Hart work on his weaknesses and the things he hated working on, and those were his best years. Mancisidor arrived and just let Hart work on what he wanted, which left the weak parts of his game unaddressed and they got worse and worse.

I think about that a lot when Ederson faces yet another penalty and gets nowhere near it. Keepers should save on average 1 in 5 pens, Edersons not saved one since 2021, 15+ attempts. It’s undeniably a weakness in his game and it’s not improved at all in the 8 years he’s been here.

 

[Lavinda Past]

Ederson and 1v1s is a mixed bag. He can be really good at coming out and stopping them before it happens but if it’s not clear cut and the attacker gets on the ball…it’s a goal 9/10 times.

A goalkeeping analyst/coach broke it down really well about 3/4 years ago - he comes out too fast and makes the forwards mind up. Keepers who are good at 1v1s come out a bit, then stop so the attacker has to make the choice between going round or finishing straight away, and it’s that indecision that slows them down, take extra touches and lets the keeper either make a save or come out more and grab the ball. Keepers who stay rooted on their line have the same problem, the player immediately knows going around isn’t an option and just focuses on the finish.

Once you’ve seen it, almost every 1v1 with Ederson plays out the same way - it’s insane to me that no one at City has tried to fix this issue in the 8 years Ederson has been here.

To be honest I really don’t rate Xabi Mancisidor at all as a gk coach. He oversaw Hart’s big drop off just before Pep arrived and IMO is a big reason Ederson’s no better a keeper than when he arrived from Benfica.

Spot on assessment. I said much the same a few years back and got pelters.

Ederson is a very lucky goalkeeper who is great with his feet.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

This guy prevented a mere dismal depressing bag of shite from turning into a total annihilation today.

Right now there is no reason whatsoever for Eddie to be no.1

 

[Barcon]

Ederson and 1v1s is a mixed bag. He can be really good at coming out and stopping them before it happens but if it’s not clear cut and the attacker gets on the ball…it’s a goal 9/10 times.

A goalkeeping analyst/coach broke it down really well about 3/4 years ago - he comes out too fast and makes the forwards mind up. Keepers who are good at 1v1s come out a bit, then stop so the attacker has to make the choice between going round or finishing straight away, and it’s that indecision that slows them down, take extra touches and lets the keeper either make a save or come out more and grab the ball. Keepers who stay rooted on their line have the same problem, the player immediately knows going around isn’t an option and just focuses on the finish.

Once you’ve seen it, almost every 1v1 with Ederson plays out the same way - it’s insane to me that no one at City has tried to fix this issue in the 8 years Ederson has been here.

To be honest I really don’t rate Xabi Mancisidor at all as a gk coach. He oversaw Casillas’ massive drop off in form at Real in 2010/11, Hart’s big drop off just before Pep arrived and IMO is a big reason Ederson’s no better a keeper than when he arrived from Benfica.

I remember Brummie GK coach that’s occasionally on the guardian pod talking about how Mancinis GK coach always made Hart work on his weaknesses and the things he hated working on, and those were his best years. Mancisidor arrived and just let Hart work on what he wanted, which left the weak parts of his game unaddressed and they got worse and worse.

But if the attacker doesn't get on the ball it's not a goal 9/10 times (the other 1 being Eddie clattering him and giving up a penalty).

I would like to see some stats relating to Ederson and 1 v 1's, taking into consideration that him rushing out to beat a forward to the ball is also a 1 v1.

 

[Xhavenjoe]

I would like to see some stats relating to Ederson and 1 v 1's, taking into consideration that him rushing out to beat a forward to the ball is also a 1 v1.

Its probably the only position on the team that I am not too worried who plays.
There's pro's and con's for both. I'd prefer Ederson if we were still capable of playing out from the back but that isn't happening at the moment.

 

[sir baconface]

Funny when eddie save us a battering a couple of times earlier in the season there wasnt a cry to keep him in

He was actually in pretty good form earlier this season but definitely not in the few games before being dropped. Much as I’ve enjoyed Eddie over the years, it was right to give the ever-patient Ortega a whirl. He hasn’t disappointed either.

Not convinced that either will be our no. 1 in a couple of years time though.