#2 | Kyle Walker - 2020/21 Performances

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He has this uncanny habit of giving penalties away since he's been here..
His pace will always bail him out over long distances but whenever he's in the box and is facing a situation,he panics and makes dumb decisions and these decisions just put us on the back foot or undo any good work we've done
Just from this season alone,and in big moments,against Leicester,they had created nothing and we were in the lead,then he does that,they are level and gain confidence and again,
yesterday,Liverpool had done nothing then he does that and we're already having to chase the game so early on
So much for being a 'leader'
 
rapidCT said:
At the moment he is the best RB in the world. Yes, he makes some mistakes, a few penalties as well, but who doesn t? He offers so much more. Last night Mane knew how to earn his penalty; somehow, he always does...
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No disputing he’s been playing very well despite giving some important pens away. If he’s the best right back in the world though world football is in a bad state. He has very little natural footballing ability, generally offers nothing creative going forwards and lacks the ability to read the game that most great defenders have. Plus side is he has tremendous recovery pace and strength.
 
Craig said:
No disputing he’s been playing very well despite giving some important pens away. If he’s the best right back in the world though world football is in a bad state. He has very little natural footballing ability, generally offers nothing creative going forwards and lacks the ability to read the game that most great defenders have. Plus side is he has tremendous recovery pace and strength.
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Exactly the last sentence, this is how football is being played nowadays: pace and strength. Last year it was clearly Arnold. This year has to be Walker, can't think of an better RB right now. You could argue for Kimi
 
His form has been good this season but we need to understand that he has the tendency to fuck up at certain points in certain games....it isn't a witch hunt to point this out but it is the smallest minute details that make a difference

It was discussed in the panel after the game and it was correct what Roy Keane was saying but also what Micah was saying

The trade off for his ability going forwards is something Pep is happy to live with regarding his brain fart episodes.

Unfortunately these errors will not disappear as Walker is now too old to change his ways, it is something we have to live with until the time comes when a younger player steps in

But it is just when the game in question counts he tends to throw one of these errors into play.

Best player we have though in that position
 
He's given away the same penalty 3 times this season and we're 1 game into November.

At 30 years old, you do have to wonder how man times he needs to make the same mistake before he learns?
 
rapidCT said:
At the moment he is the best RB in the world. Yes, he makes some mistakes, a few penalties as well, but who doesn t? He offers so much more. Last night Mane knew how to earn his penalty; somehow, he always does...
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Sounds like something a Rag would say.
 
domalino said:
He's given away the same penalty 3 times this season and we're 1 game into November.

At 30 years old, you do have to wonder how man times he needs to make the same mistake before he learns?
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Unfortunately I think that’s part of his mental makeup. Opposing player barely ever go past him in a head-on 1v1 race, so on the few instances like when Mane went past him like that he will always panic and so something stupid instinctively.
 
Walker was unique in what he brought to the team from 2017-19, he likes to play in last line of defence and play as a quasi CB and sweeper, physically very strong , defend long balls and presence in the box defensively, these attributes were very useful especially considering that we had center back paring of stones and otamendi and fernandinho in front of the defence who were weak in those aspects.

The tradeoff to be made with walker is he can't play higher up the pitch(not on the last line of defence)
-doesn't like to defend with player in space behind him and as wing back he can't provide the attacking width a conventional full back is req. to do today.Still the even with the tradeoffs to be made, it was a net positive.But question to be asked is kyle is as effective and contribution wise still a net positive.

Trade Offs
- Walker can't play out wide attacking wise so can't play with two left footed players on the right like mahrez with foden or bernardo with foden.So either KDB is forced to play as a half winger and has to provide the width or sterling has to play.

-defensively can't play as a wing back with a player in space behind, happens yesterday where he pace away a pen, has happened previously too - vs leicester and vs lyon in the quater finals.

-Walker used to useful with his physicality and pace esp. when we played with stones, otamendi and ferna but now his qualities which made him unique are redundant with rodri,dias and laporte and ake, all good on the ball if not better than walker and all physically strong and have pace.

-Another aspect is our build up play- pep like to play a back 4 but build up using a back 3 so its either one of the full backs dropping or the no6 dropping.Here is where walker and rodri when playing together
causes a problem - both want to drop and play in last line on defence and both players don't like playing high and wide.

Bottom line,Kyle is 30 so unfortunately, would be foolish to expect him to get better but still one of the most consistent players we have.
Best scenario, don't play rodri and kyle together if possible and play sterling on the right to provide width to help walker.
 
vasan said:
Walker was unique in what he brought to the team from 2017-19, he likes to play in last line of defence and play as a quasi CB and sweeper, physically very strong , defend long balls and presence in the box defensively, these attributes were very useful especially considering that we had center back paring of stones and otamendi and fernandinho in front of the defence who were weak in those aspects.

The tradeoff to be made with walker is he can't play higher up the pitch(not on the last line of defence)
-doesn't like to defend with player in space behind him and as wing back he can't provide the attacking width a conventional full back is req. to do today.Still the even with the tradeoffs to be made, it was a net positive.But question to be asked is kyle is as effective and contribution wise still a net positive.

Trade Offs
- Walker can't play out wide attacking wise so can't play with two left footed players on the right like mahrez with foden or bernardo with foden.So either KDB is forced to play as a half winger and has to provide the width or sterling has to play.

-defensively can't play as a wing back with a player in space behind, happens yesterday where he pace away a pen, has happened previously too - vs leicester and vs lyon in the quater finals.

-Walker used to useful with his physicality and pace esp. when we played with stones, otamendi and ferna but now his qualities which made him unique are redundant with rodri,dias and laporte and ake, all good on the ball if not better than walker and all physically strong and have pace.

-Another aspect is our build up play- pep like to play a back 4 but build up using a back 3 so its either one of the full backs dropping or the no6 dropping.Here is where walker and rodri when playing together
causes a problem - both want to drop and play in last line on defence and both players don't like playing high and wide.

Bottom line,Kyle is 30 so unfortunately, would be foolish to expect him to get better but still one of the most consistent players we have.
Best scenario, don't play rodri and kyle together if possible and play sterling on the right to provide width to help walker.
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Won’t happen but he should retire from international football - would give him another 2-3 years at the top
 
bellsouth said:
Won’t happen but he should retire from international football - would give him another 2-3 years at the top
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We need to keep pushing the media narrative that Reece James and Lamptey are better options. The more players we can keep away from internationals the better.
 
domalino said:
He's given away the same penalty 3 times this season and we're 1 game into November.

At 30 years old, you do have to wonder how man times he needs to make the same mistake before he learns?
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He won't. Same problem as Otamendi in that neither had much going on between their ears and both oversetimate their ability to make a challenge in difficult situations.

Luckily, Walker's got far more strings to his bow than Otamendi and the pros far outweigh the cons. Like I said, he won't learn and it won't be the last time it costs us but it is what it is.
 
Listening to the ManCity Show Pod and some of the comments reflect strong signs of selective memory and reasoning.

One commentor said that this was a reversion back to his normal self (a later commentor pointed out stats that show how few pens Walker has given in contrast).

The initial person said it is "baffling how you can be so good for the rest of the season and become awful again."

Laporte...against Liverpool (or was it Spurs or both games)?????

Also, after the mistake I thought he did quite well against Mane.

There were also references to what Spurs fans said YEARS ago.

This is not the same player. Yes, he has flaws and can make a mistake, but he's improved his decision making a lot since joining us.

One game or one moment should not throw away all of the other performances unless you're already set out to believe what you believe.
 
Defenders at times make mistakes - no one is perfect. Walker made an unfortunate mistake against Liverpool - these things happen.

Still, our defense was very solid - limiting Liverpool to one goal - and on offense, we would have won all three points given this performance - KDB's penalty miss... that's not going to happen very often.
 
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