2020 US Elections

[Blue Hefner]

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Just listening to the podcast now.

Maddow is pretty good at summing it up.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Goldman Sachs joining Moodys in talking up Biden’s economic plan over Trump’s (this is a surprise)

I get that feeling that Goldman Sachs are more fearful of another 4 years of Trump rather than anything else.

 

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

And he's a Republican!!

I doubt anyone on here is surprised that many others are at it and also the hypocrisy of many of Trump's critics. However the argument is not that he's evading or avoiding tax, it's that he's the President and is evading or avoiding tax. Defenders of him will use arguments like the video to try to dilute the primary issue in the hope that actual and potential voters of him disgusted by his actions will be appeased.

 

[SWP's back]

I get that feeling that Goldman Sachs are more fearful of another 4 years of Trump rather than anything else.

Yeah but it’s good that reputable companies are stating that the economy and markets won’t go into free fall which is a point Trump keeps making.

 

[DrBlueBob]

And he's a Republican!!

That's a fascinating piece mate. Obviously I am going on the video alone and maybe there's a counterpoint view that I have no knowledge of but I think the word egregious as used in he vid would on the face of it sum things up nicely.

I think the there is an issue here, especially in this particular thread and that is the the conversations that are being had amount to two arguments that have been conflated which to my mind is where a lot of the circular arguments stem from and that is;

1) The system is broken and needs to be fixed moving forwards. Your arguments have been poweerful and persuasive in this regard.

2) But it's Trump.

As of this moment in time we have two candidates running so Americans have a binary choice.

To my mind the latter point at the moment, and I stress this bearing in mind point 1, is the most pressing, one could say, the only point worth considering right now.

I had an idea that maybe there ought to be another thread regarding the two parties policies and how they should be addressed to bring about a more, ahem, democratic system that benefits all Americans and not just those who not only control the system but would seem to actively use (abuse?) said system to further their own ends. As you have said both parties are at it.

Disgusting as it would appear to be it's like turkeys voting for Thanksgiving. Power corrupts.

 

[somethingelse]

Are you comparing Trump to Lincoln?

Not really im pointing out the moral vacuum of the Democrats who indeed have worn Republican clothes ,when it "suits" them
Its happening again now with Biden wearing Trumps clothes with his latest economic plan that shamelessly mimicks Trumps buy American hire American policys

 

[Bigga]

I doubt anyone on here is surprised that many others are at it and also the hypocrisy of many of Trump's critics. However the argument is not that he's evading or avoiding tax, it's that he's the President and is evading or avoiding tax. Defenders of him will use arguments like the video to try to dilute the primary issue in the hope that actual and potential voters of him disgusted by his actions will be appeased.

I understand the "immediate" issue, but there wouldn't be one if the rich didn't game a system built for the rich!

In reality, if he never paid taxes before, why would he pay taxes now? Because of 'the honour of the seat'...??

What Enjeti says is a reality that plays out across the top of society inclusive of Democrats pulling the wool over the eyes of the working class, but I won't deep dive on that now.

"Don't hate the player, hate the game" is super accurate.

 

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

That's a fascinating piece mate. Obviously I am going on the video alone and maybe there's a counterpoint view that I have no knowledge of but I think the word egregious as used in he vid would on the face of it sum things up nicely.

I think the there is an issue here, especially in this particular thread and that is the the conversations that are being had amount to two arguments that have been conflated which to my mind is where a lot of the circular arguments stem from and that is;

1) The system is broken and needs to be fixed moving forwards. Your arguments have been poweerful and persuasive in this regard.

2) But it's Trump.

As of this moment in time we have two candidates running so Americans have a binary choice.

To my mind the latter point at the moment, and I stress this bearing in mind point 1, is the most pressing, one could say, the only point worth considering right now.

I had an idea that maybe there ought to be another thread regarding the two parties policies and how they should be addressed to bring about a more, ahem, democratic system that benefits all Americans and not just those who not only control the system but would seem to actively use (abuse?) said system to further their own ends. As you have said both parties are at it.

Disgusting as it would appear to be it's like turkeys voting for Thanksgiving. Power corrupts.

The problem with @Bigga 's position (and forgive me Bigga for talking about you not with you) is that he desires a better and fairer world but either doesn't accept that most of us want it too and so is lost in a perpetual need to preach about the failings of politicians of the past, or he's up to something with a desire to see Trump returned to power.

I've made my decision.

 

[Bigga]

That's a fascinating piece mate. Obviously I am going on the video alone and maybe there's a counterpoint view that I have no knowledge of but I think the word egregious as used in he vid would on the face of it sum things up nicely.

I think the there is an issue here, especially in this particular thread and that is the the conversations that are being had amount to two arguments that have been conflated which to my mind is where a lot of the circular arguments stem from and that is;

1) The system is broken and needs to be fixed moving forwards. Your arguments have been poweerful and persuasive in this regard.

2) But it's Trump.

As of this moment in time we have two candidates running so Americans have a binary choice.

To my mind the latter point at the moment, and I stress this bearing in mind point 1, is the most pressing, one could say, the only point worth considering right now.

I had an idea that maybe there ought to be another thread regarding the two parties policies and how they should be addressed to bring about a more, ahem, democratic system that benefits all Americans and not just those who not only control the system but would seem to actively use (abuse?) said system to further their own ends. As you have said both parties are at it.

Disgusting as it would appear to be it's like turkeys voting for Thanksgiving. Power corrupts.

If you have thoughts on a thread, have at it.

The reason why much of this would be important is because the UK tends to follow suit in regards of legislation change(and vice versa) if it works and, right now, there's a dearth of intellectual expansion on policy for the people in both countries.

In my opinion.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Trump's claim in the 'debate' about Philadelphia and election watching:
Trump campaign staffer Mike Roman tweeted, "TRUMP observers are being blocked entry to all of the satellite voting locations in Philly!! What are they hiding?"
Within a few minutes, one of the President's sons, Eric Trump retweeted said the incident was proof of "corruption" against the Trump campaign. The two posts started racking up re-tweets -- totaling more than 45,000 combined, as of Wednesday afternoon.
Conspiracy website Gateway Pundit published an article Tuesday afternoon and promoted the hashtag "#StopTheSteal."
Election experts started pointing out the state laws, and highlighted that Pennsylvania hasn't even certified its official list of approved poll watchers for the general election. But that didn't stop Trump, who tweeted at 5:14 p.m. "Wow. Won't let Poll Watchers & Security into Philadelphia Voting Places. There is only one reason why. Corruption!!! Must have a fair Election," he said.
A few hours later, at the first presidential debate, Trump cited the incident when he was asked about maintaining calm and avoiding civil unrest if there is a prolonged vote-counting process. He said some "very safe, very nice" poll watchers were "thrown out" -- not because they apparently violated local election rules, but rather "because bad things happen in Philadelphia."

Pesky fact alert:
At some point on Tuesday, people affiliated with the Trump campaign tried to enter in-person polling sites in Philadelphia.
They said they wanted to observe voting, but were kicked out by local election officials, who explained that state law allows partisan poll watchers to participate only on Election Day in November.
Additionally, the voting locations were election offices, not traditional polling places, and state law doesn't allow poll watchers inside election offices.

So a lie vomited on by sundry Trumps, vomited again by Orange Don. Who needs truth when you can talk utter tosh.
(words excerpted from CNN)

Let me guess, Philadelphia is in an important state for the voting.

 

[DrBlueBob]

If you have thoughts on a thread, have at it.

The reason why much of this would be important is because the UK tends to follow suit in regards of legislation change(and vice versa) if it works and, right now, there's a dearth of intellectual expansion on policy for the people in both countries.

In my opinion.

I agree that there are parallels.

The reason that I haven't started a new thread is that I don't imagine there would be much traction given that what with this and the Trump and also Biden threads being fairly heavily added to. If the mods feel that it would be a good idea I am quite prepared to forego any copyrights as well as what I should imagine would be a shit ton of image rights income as well.

 

[Bigga]

The problem with @Bigga 's position (and forgive me Bigga for talking about you not with you) is that he desires a better and fairer world but either doesn't accept that most of us want it too and so is lost in a perpetual need to preach about the failings of politicians of the past, or he's up to something with a desire to see Trump returned to power.

I've made my decision.

I'm a little surprised that you ride my road only to get off on to the prickly dirt path. That's fine.

I'm not going to keep urging people that it's important to look at how the path was made in order to see where it's going; that's your choice.

There's a really interesting podcast Pelosi made that highlights an overarching stance she takes in dealing with the current incumbent, but it seems rather pointless to highlight her own actions in her own voice/ words as no one gives a flying fuck.

You want to believe I want #45 returned to power? Okay, you've made your decision.

As a Black man, I shake my head at anyone who thinks I want either of these idiots in, but that's fine.

I'm beginning to understand how this thread of posters work.

 

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

I'm a little surprised that you ride my road only to get off on to the prickly dirt path. That's fine.

I'm not going to keep urging people that it's important to look at how the path was made in order to see where it's going; that's your choice.

There's a really interesting podcast Pelosi made that highlights an overarching stance she takes in dealing with the current incumbent, but it seems rather pointless to highlight her own actions in her own voice/ words as no one gives a flying fuck.

You want to believe I want #45 returned to power? Okay, you've made your decision.

As a Black man, I shake my head at anyone who thinks I want either of these idiots in, but that's fine.

I'm beginning to understand how this thread of posters work.

Not sure what the first line means but generally I think you're making some assumptions. I'm keeping an open mind on your posts, and they do inform a lot, I just don't see how your approach relates to the (generally) ternary decision the American people have now ([ ] Trump [ ] Biden [ ] No-one) and how it can shape the future in a way to perhaps reach some of your utopian vision.

 

[blueinsa]

I shake my head at anyone who thinks I want either of these idiots in, but that's fine.

Trump is a **** and totally unfit for office but when this is the alternative and its basically ignored, such is the dislike of Trump and the clamour to replace regardless its a poor state of affairs it really is.

America would be better off having no #46.



This video, his behaviour is utterly disgusting.

 

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

Trump is a **** and totally unfit for office but when this is the alternative and its basically ignored, such is the dislike of Trump and the clamour to replace regardless its a poor state of affairs it really is.

America would be better off having no #46.



This video, his behaviour is utterly disgusting.

Yes, he isn't right that's for sure and it shouldn't be ignored. I would, though, expect Biden to resign his position if he was caught on camera associating with a convicted paedophile, something we know Trump hasn't done yet, so if your desire really is to see none of these president, Biden is your best bet I would say.

 

[Bigga]

Not sure what the first line means but generally I think you're making some assumptions. I'm keeping an open mind on your posts, and they do inform a lot, I just don't see how your approach relates to the (generally) ternary decision the American people have now ([ ] Trump [ ] Biden [ ] No-one) and how it can shape the future in a way to perhaps reach some of your utopian vision.

You said I want "a better and fairer world but either doesn't accept that most of us want it too" but I have "perpetual need to preach about the failings of politicians of the past, or he's up to something with a desire to see Trump returned to power". See the prickly dirt path?

I understand the forced avenue of choice as it is now. But this should never have been an acceptable way forward as channeled by the Dem top brass and MSM.

In democracy a politician should live and die by their politics and it should be the role of the journalist in main media to strip down and back to the bare bones evenly, the policies of candidates and who their donors are.

I can't ever remember the people being told the whole truth about their choices and as a result, when people find out info is left out, they look for other media for another version of that info to get the fuller/ full picture.

I maintain, if people abstain, I get it. They are willing to let the chips fall where they may.

 

[Bigga]

Trump is a **** and totally unfit for office but when this is the alternative and its basically ignored, such is the dislike of Trump and the clamour to replace regardless its a poor state of affairs it really is.

America would be better off having no #46.



This video, his behaviour is utterly disgusting.

I squirm every time I see these vids! Handsy Joe!

Alright, you're "USA's Grampa", don't fucking take it literal, you dumb fuck!

He actually thought he could do whatever he wanted, cos he was 'beloved'.

Yuck!

 

[west didsblue]

 

[Damocles]

Who needs truth when you can talk utter tosh.

Biden also repeated the very fine people lie, and the media have ran on the condemnation of white supremacist lie since the debates.

Ain't no great articles on that though attracting likes from the thread regulars though. Bastions of truth....as long as it helps their side.

Integrity for thee and not for me