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Even if it were true that only one side had done this, the fair and smart thing to do would be to seek assurances from both sides that they won't attempt to undermine a democracy.

But it's not true that just one side has, many Democratic surrogates have pointedly stated Biden should not concede no matter what. So at a minimum, it's a question that both should get and answer.
Who do you think has implemented actions to ensure that the result will not reflect the full voting intentions of the electorate whether by voter suppression, disenfranchisement or impeding the transfer of ballots for counting?

With that all in place why should the Democrats concede until they’re absolutely sure the result is correct?
 
Thirty years ago the Conservative Party got its head around being led by a lowly grocer's daughter, so why not?
Haley, by the way was the honorable Governor of the Racist, Sexist, and Xenophobic South Carolina.
 
He wasn't asked the direct question, but I'll concede he answered "yes" he'll accept when all the votes are counted.

Which is a slick answer. But a fair enough Yes.
"If I win, that will be accepted. If I lose, that will be accepted"

Not slick, just honest. Which to be fair is an alien concept for you so it's not surprising you don't understand it.
 
Who do you think has implemented actions to ensure that the result will not reflect the full voting intentions of the electorate whether by voter suppression, disenfranchisement or impeding the transfer of ballots for counting?
With that all in place why should the Democrats concede until they’re absolutely sure the result is correct?
Both parties are disenfranchising Americans in whatever Swing States they can.

Democratic Party have gotten the Green Party candidates kicked off ballots in Swing States amongst other acts.

Disenfranchising is a power thing not a particular party thing.
 
"If I win, that will be accepted. If I lose, that will be accepted"

Not slick, just honest. Which to be fair is an alien concept for you so it's not surprising you don't understand it.

I think that's what made it slick. It was his best moment as a politician. The prior sentence was about when all the votes are counted. What's left unsaid is "who" determines when that has happened.

My guess here would be: Biden does. And thus he can choose to not concede and yet not having lied since 'All the votes have nor yet been counted."
 
I don't think Harris needed to massacre Pence to be fair. He showed himself up for what he was last night, and pretty much put the final nail in the coffin on the majority of white, educated female vote at the election.

His antics on the podium last night exactly the kind of misogynistic bully boy behaviour that women have to deal with on a daily basis in workplaces all over the Western World, and the electorate have seen enough.

I think Harris just gave him enough rope to hang himself last night, and he dutifully obliged.
So, having finally had the time to watch it I have to ask you; what did he do that was "misogynistic"...?

I found him quite courteous, actually, and not belittling as I thought he might be. Again, what he did he do to 'bully'? Debates are about being dominant in the political arena, so it's not the 'workplace' and a strange comparison. I wonder what you make of Nancy Pelosi in the case?

He absolutely skewered her on her own record as AG. It was painful to watch her pivot to something where the Dem Admin would try and undo the mess she and Biden created.

The debate did nothing for the challengers for the WH, but Pence chipped away at Harris' record, quite well. Her only recourse was to attack #45 as Pence clearly had nothing for her to attack in her head! Very strange!

In reality, Pence shaded this debate for impact.
 
Both parties are disenfranchising Americans in whatever Swing States they can.

Democratic Party have gotten the Green Party candidates kicked off ballots in Swing States amongst other acts.

Disenfranchising is a power thing not a particular party thing.
You'll go to any lengths to find things that you can pretend are equivalent.
 
So, having finally had the time to watch it I have to ask you; what did he do that was "misogynistic"...?

I found him quite courteous, actually, and not belittling as I thought he might be. Again, what he did he do to 'bully'? Debates are about being dominant in the political arena, so it's not the 'workplace' and a strange comparison. I wonder what you make of Nancy Pelosi in the case?

He absolutely skewered her on her own record as AG. It was painful to watch her pivot to something where the Dem Admin would try and undo the mess she and Biden created.

The debate did nothing for the challengers for the WH, but Pence chipped away at Harris' record, quite well. Her only recourse was to attack #45 as Pence clearly had nothing for her to attack in her head! Very strange!

In reality, Pence shaded this debate for impact.

Does that make #45 a 'misogynist' against Biden, then??
Pence's performance wasn't about dominating the political argument, it was about belittling Harris.

Trump v Biden was a tactic to try and make make Biden Stumble and appear to be cognitively impaired.
 
Pence's performance wasn't about dominating the political argument, it was about belittling Harris.

Trump v Biden was a tactic to try and make make Biden Stumble and appear to be cognitively impaired.

Belittling as much as Tulsi Gabbard did in pointing her extremely dubious record.

She's not as 'Progressive' as she claims and Pence dragged that out into the light.

If it were lies you'd interrupt and put that person right.

She had the chance to reply and chose to pivot away from that glare.

It was quite interesting to watch, actually.
 
Disenfranchising is a power thing not a particular party thing.

Jesus Christ! You're such a dummy....

“I don’t want everybody to vote,” Paul Weyrich, an influential conservative activist, said in 1980. “As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down.”



https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/30/trump-republican-party-voting-reform-coronavirus

Trump says Republicans would ‘never’ be elected again if it was easier to vote​


Donald Trump admitted on Monday that making it easier to vote in America would hurt the Republican party.

The president made the comments as he dismissed a Democratic-led push for reforms such as vote-by-mail, same-day registration and early voting as states seek to safely run elections amid the Covid-19 pandemic. Democrats had proposed the measures as part of the coronavirus stimulus. They ultimately were not included in the $2.2tn final package, which included only $400m to states to help them run elections.

“The things they had in there were crazy. They had things, levels of voting that if you’d ever agreed to it, you’d never have a Republican elected in this country again,” Trump said during an appearance on Fox & Friends. “They had things in there about election days and what you do and all sorts of clawbacks. They had things that were just totally crazy and had nothing to do with workers that lost their jobs and companies that we have to save.”

Democrats often accuse Republicans of deliberately making it hard to vote in order to keep minorities, immigrants, young people and other groups from the polls. And Republicans often say they oppose voting reforms because of concerns of voter fraud – which is extremely rare – or concerns over having the federal government run elections. But Trump’s remarks reveal how at least some Republicans have long understood voting barriers to be a necessary part of their political self-preservation......
 
Winning the popular vote is NOT a requirement of the constitution for nominating Judges. Winning the Electoral college is. And having an opening on the Court that needs filling while you are President.

This is self evident. Again, who made it easy to approve simple majority nominations?

I'll help you out. The same braintrust that now wants to increase
Like I said, your Constitution is wank.
 
You'll go to any lengths to find things that you can pretend are equivalent.
As I say, his moralising “I’m playing devils advocate” mask has slipped. He know his team is 4-1 down with five minutes to play and whilst it’s not over, he’s fucking gutted and is willing to blame the ref, the lino, var, FFP or whatever else to make himself feel better.
 
Belittling as much as Tulsi Gabbard did in pointing her extremely dubious record.

She's not as 'Progressive' as she claims and Pence dragged that out into the light.

If it were lies you'd interrupt and put that person right.

She had the chance to reply and chose to pivot away from that glare.

It was quite interesting to watch, actually.
I'm not watching it, but if Pence dragged out that she's not that Progressive, doesn't that make a nonsense of Republican claims that they're all closet communists?
 
The final redactions from the Muller report are going to be lifted by the end of the month. All the appeals have been exhausted, the judge has had enough, the whole thing will be there in black and white for the first time.

Those redactions include the discussions about who should be indicted after the report and will include several key Trump people and probably the discussion where he concludes he can't indict a president even though Trump should be indicted. It's also going expose Bill Barr to the point where he will be getting impeached as soon as the dust settles, win or lose the election.


That's hanging over Trumps campaign as the ultimate October surprise, probably coming out 2 or 3 days before the election. It's why Trump is screaming about indicting Biden and why they're making one more desperate run at the Hunter Biden stuff.
 
I'm not watching it, but if Pence dragged out that she's not that Progressive, doesn't that make a nonsense of Republican claims that they're all closet communists?

Kamala's a funny one because her record as a senator is as progressive as it gets. She's rated by an independent body as one of the top 10 leftiest senators based on votes, even being more progressive than Bernie thanks to Sanders boycotting anything he doesn't like because it's not left enough.

But as attorney general she was not particularly progressive.

So this is one of those things where the Republicans tried to have their cake and eat it and sent a lot of mixed messaging and they've really not managed to dent any enthusiasm for Harris at all.
 
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