True. Except it's better than for every other Constitution out there :)
2020 US Elections
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For the 100th time, I have repeatedly asked you to assume as fact that I am Trump himself.
So no need to wade in detective work here. Just argue the facts. Do Democrats partake in Voter Fraud, and Suppression? Of course they do. You'd have to be full not to know that. We still don't know for certain who won the Iowa caucus. We are still figuring how who won some primaries in New York. And so on and so forth.
It's funny, how I'm the one who's moralizing, but y'all are the ones trying to deny facts.
Stop being in denial. They both cheat profusely. Even if you are more against the kinda cheating that you believe Republicans commit. It still does not change the fact BOTH parties do it!!
Hmmm, someone is at least paying some attention to detail. Mat I suggest you enlist a few others here?
andyhinch
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I’m not sure anyone is in denial, your use of equivalence always makes me smile, thanks for that.
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Hillary Clinton to Biden: Don't concede if the election is close
"Joe Biden should not concede under any circumstances because I think this is going to drag out," Clinton warned.
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If you watch videos from Msnbc, CNN and ABC news from the week she gave the advice, you'd find multiple TV heads, agreeing, supporting and explaining Hillary's point.
"Joe Biden should not concede under any circumstances, because I think this is going to drag out, and eventually I do believe he will win if we don't give an inch, and if we are as focused and relentless as the other side is"
"We've got to have a massive legal operation, I know the Biden campaign is working on that."
I couldn't find videos of the talking heads discussing Secretary Clinton's advice, but I'm sure someone better with search capabilities can.
If I were a moderator asking about the integrity of elections and willingness to concede, the bolded above would have struck me as a question worthy of asking the Vice President. While, yes correctly asking Trump a similar question based on his rhetoric about fraud.
I probably would also not dismiss a priori the President's claims of possible fraud. Rather I'd ask him for evidence, and suggest if he didn't have any or was unable to produce any why he was undermining democracy with unsubstantiated rhetoric.
But hey, that's just me. I suppose that just makes me Trump himself. Happy to be him
I thought it was slick. The fact that so many don't actually speaks to how good that answer was. But I'll concede the point either way.
Whether it is slick or not is an opinion I suppose. And he did answer, Yes. So I concede the point.
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Hillary Clinton to Biden: Don't concede if the election is close
"Joe Biden should not concede under any circumstances because I think this is going to drag out," Clinton warned.
If you watch videos from Msnbc, CNN and ABC news from the week she gave the advice, you'd find multiple TV heads, agreeing, supporting and explaining Hillary's point.
"Joe Biden should not concede under any circumstances, because I think this is going to drag out, and eventually I do believe he will win if we don't give an inch, and if we are as focused and relentless as the other side is"
"We've got to have a massive legal operation, I know the Biden campaign is working on that."
I couldn't find videos of the talking heads discussing Secretary Clinton's advice, but I'm sure someone better with search capabilities can.
If I were a moderator asking about the integrity of elections and willingness to concede, the bolded above would have struck me as a question worthy of asking the Vice President. While, yes correctly asking Trump a similar question based on his rhetoric about fraud.
I probably would also not dismiss a priori the President's claims of possible fraud. Rather I'd ask him for evidence, and suggest if he didn't have any or was unable to produce any why he was undermining democracy with unsubstantiated rhetoric.
But hey, that's just me. I suppose that just makes me Trump himself. Happy to be him
Isn't that just because the early vote will be won by Biden, the votes counted on Election Day be won by Trump and the ones announced after be won by Biden?
Seems crazy to concede defeat if either are still in with a chance?
andyhinch
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You’ll concede the point, it’s like comedy hour when you post at times, keep it up.
Maybe not you. :)
Well, I have no disagreement with the above. My point was that the issue of not conceding has been broached by both sides, so a moderator would probably do best to question both camps about it.
Some believe no one on the Democratic side side have considered not conceding.
That was my point.
andyhinch
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You really don’t know me.
I have no allegiance to positions, just the facts..if you show with evidence that I'm wrong, I'll concede. It's that simple.
Can't say the same for many here though. Any uncomfortable fact becomes an opportunity to attack your character... It's quite predictable.
But I'm here all night. Comedy hour.
And just for the record, this is all a side bar..
The main point of this whole discussion was the question who won the debate last night?
I think it was easily Pence. Its why all of Today's reporting focussed on the fly on Pence head, him being condescending (mind you no evidence was presented for how), and how he always talked past his time ( This was true). But I fail to see how that made Senator Harris the winner.
Anyway, there were 9 topics covered, which ones do folks think Harris won and with what points?
Nope. I was simply taking you at your word of not being in denial. So I agreed and said, maybe not you, but perhaps others.
Unless you are suggesting if I knew you, I'd know you had the ability to know others were not being in denial?
I'm not sure that's a valid position.
andyhinch
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That could wash without the :-) I’ll read your other response later when I stop laughing
Trump's & Pence's failure to save lives lost to Covid.
Trump's & Pence's failure to protect the environment from global warming or to recognize science.
Trump's racism.
Trump's lies.
Trump being a **** (OK, the last one wasn't explicitly on the debate agenda, just the sub-text all the way through.)
Manchester_lalala
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Come on Trump, bring it home.
Fair enough. I'm not sure those were actual topics other than the 1st.
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I think he has.
Covid that is.
I thought the same as he said it and wanted Harris to call him out.
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