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Trump was a shameful liar, particularly when attacking Biden's son yet rather unbelievably he came out of that debate relatively unscathed.

The most interesting thing is 70% of those polled found the debate to be annoying whilst only 17% found it informative but information should of been Bidens bread and butter.

If I was Biden I'd be rethinking my strategy on approaching the debates because the only way he can win the election is by evaluating what he brings to the table rather than what Trump doesn't.

If only 17% think that they got anything out of the debate then he has completely failed.
Depends on which way the 17% were influenced.
 
Trump was a shameful liar, particularly when attacking Biden's son yet rather unbelievably he came out of that debate relatively unscathed.

The most interesting thing is 70% of those polled found the debate to be annoying whilst only 17% found it informative but information should of been Bidens bread and butter.

If I was Biden I'd be rethinking my strategy on approaching the debates because the only way he can win the election is by evaluating what he brings to the table rather than what Trump doesn't.

If only 17% think that they got anything out of the debate then he has completely failed.

Yeah, I think his 8-10 point lead in the polls kind of tells you his strategy is working just fine. I'm pretty sure his lead isn't going to drop after that performance.
 

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Sure, he didn't score any more points using your analogy, so what he did was try and injure the opponent enough to try and get into their head for the next game in the series.

I think not.

Trump doesn't think strategically and he's clearly not got anyone in his inner circle who do, he delivers a rag-tag jumble of incoherent reactionary nonsense because that is what he is.

He's smart enough to conjure the required dog whistle from time to time, but even then he often f**ks it up.

He's screwing over his base, he knows that, we all know that, even some of his base know that, but they'll stick by him because on some visceral level he is them, and he gave them enough meat last night to remind them of that fact

Trump's real difficulty is broadening his appeal beyond his base, at least he would be having difficulty if he was actually trying to do that.

It is not possible to have seen that shit show last night and come to the conclusion that Trump was pitching to undecideds. Maybe he's come to the not unreasonable conclusion that undecideds don't exist when it comes to him and he knows he can't win the election in the "traditional" way.

If that's the case, then the USA is in real trouble.
 
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Trump was a shameful liar, particularly when attacking Biden's son yet rather unbelievably he came out of that debate relatively unscathed.

The most interesting thing is 70% of those polled found the debate to be annoying whilst only 17% found it informative but information should of been Bidens bread and butter.

If I was Biden I'd be rethinking my strategy on approaching the debates because the only way he can win the election is by evaluating what he brings to the table rather than what Trump doesn't.

If only 17% think that they got anything out of the debate then he has completely failed.
No he hasn't failed.

Again, he's up in the polls. It's Trump that needs the votes, needs the viewing figures and needs to sway voters.

The absolute best case scenario for him from last night's shit show was that nobody was swayed either way.

That's bad for him, good for Biden. All Biden had to do was still be standing strong in the polls after 90 minutes and he is.

Plus, the next two debates will see a drastic drop in viewing figures which is an absolute nightmare for Trump and his campaign yet it's his own doing.

In no way, shape or form did Biden fail last night, he just kept the ball in the corner when he could while Trump hoofed it up the pitch every time.
 
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