2020 US Elections

[pudge]

That's your opinion through your lens.

No lens, it's just looking at what Trump actually did/said.

He spoke about Biden's son's drug addiction, a call to arms for a white supremacist group and about a ban on cows.

There was zero substance to his answers. No health care plan, no economic revival plan... Nothing. It was a monkey throwing shit around.

He threw few and landed zero punches in a political debate. No two ways about it.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

No he hasn't failed.

Again, he's up in the polls. It's Trump that needs the votes, needs the viewing figures and needs to sway voters.

The absolute best case scenario for him from last night's shit show was that nobody was swayed either way.

That's bad for him, good for Biden. All Biden had to do was still be standing strong in the polls after 90 minutes and he is.

Plus, the next two debates will see a drastic drop in viewing figures which is an absolute nightmare for Trump and his campaign yet it's his own doing.

In no way, shape or form did Biden fail last night, he just kept the ball in the corner when he could while Trump hoofed it up the pitch every time.

Precisely, although I also agree with @inbetween that Trump knows he cannot win the election conventionally (or at least that what his internal polls are telling him, as well as the external ones) so the point of last night (if there was one) was to get his base out -- which means voting for most, and doing, errr, "more" for a few of them. He's at the point now where he's trying to prevent a rout so he has some legitimate claim to contest -- which he'll do regardless, of course, but it would look better were the vote closer.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Honestly, what the fuck are you talking about??

Sanders has more brain cells and integrity in his left bollock than the pair of them.

 

[west didsblue]

Trump was a shameful liar, particularly when attacking Biden's son yet rather unbelievably he came out of that debate relatively unscathed.

The most interesting thing is 70% of those polled found the debate to be annoying whilst only 17% found it informative but information should of been Bidens bread and butter.

If I was Biden I'd be rethinking my strategy on approaching the debates because the only way he can win the election is by evaluating what he brings to the table rather than what Trump doesn't.

If only 17% think that they got anything out of the debate then he has completely failed.

I’m surprised anyone found it informative. When Trump was speaking he just waffled about nonsense when he wasn’t throwing insults. When Biden was speaking, Trump drowned him out with more nonsense.

 

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

Trump will recognise Biden's approach as LAW & ORDER (which can be seen on the President's twitter feed daily usually early around 7am ET - bet it'll appear today at some point).

A bit late today from El Trumpo ...

 

[Bigga]

I'd need to see evidence of this but again the meaning of words changes over time, especially in politics as new awareness and political correctness (both welcome) take hold. If you're taking analysis from someone else's writings because you weren't around at the time then I'd be very wary of this because frankly, anyone can write about anything with a new angle.

Going back to the debate, I don't think Trump has anything to gain from it anyway. If he wants to delve into people's cupboards for skeletons then I hope he goes ahead because he's got poor form on that. Most people realise that 2020 is not 1994 when it comes to political decisions. Now crime, that's different.

Evidence of word coding?? I'm not sure you can dispute the point.

Or we're saying that when Black and Brown offend at the same rate, for the same or very similar crimes, then the prisons should be evenly split for the demographic percentage. I think it's highly noted that there's a disproportionate amount of prison terms handed down in the demographic differences.

And yes, I agree #45 has nothing to gain from delving into cupboards for skeletons looking at his own, but that's not the point for him. The aim was for Biden to be rattled and present poorly.

He'll have two more chances at it.

 

[Bigga]

Of course you can't. If that was Bernie up there he'd have been giving us blow-by-blow descriptions of every Trump sentence and there'd be blood in every post.

Fucking YAWN!!

You're supposed to be a man, so man the fuck up and stop sniping from behind mummy's skirt!!

 

[Bigga]

I don't share your optimism but very happy to be proven wrong.

I'm not 'optimistic' about it.

I think he's a tool, but he'll have to do damage control.

 

[cjn]

And yes, I agree #45 has nothing to gain from delving into cupboards for skeletons looking at his own, but that's not the point for him. The aim was for Biden to be rattled and present poorly.

He'll have two more chances at it.

The issue is that no one thinks Biden presented poorly but you, and you're hardly an impartial judge here. Not even the post-debate Fox New panel I watched thought Biden did badly or that Trump was able to fight to anything more than a draw, at best. Trump played exclusively to his base and came off as a raving lunatic. He also managed to make the whole thing so unwatchable that fewer people will bother with the next one, which also happens to be one of Trump's last chances to sway the race. For the candidate up by seven points that's a huge win.

 

[Bigga]

Agreed. Would you say that the Republicans are innocent of using the same coded language?

Not innocent at all!

The Dems took their cue from the Repubs in using coded language to demonise a section of society.

That particular vernacular has disappeared from their language otherwise it would be fine to use now, wouldn't it...?