2020 US Elections

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Bigga said:
Brilliant. And typical.

It's amazing how you guys CONTINUE to give a pass to the Dems for the same things you claim the right wing of politics are guilty of.

Is it okay, in any form, to suppress voting?

Should anyone who WANTS to vote for another party, be able to or does the need to get rid of #45 eviscerate all the supposed great aspects of 'democracy' to do so??

It's a simple premise to talk about and yet repeatedly, and markedly, the point is avoided, but 'liked'.

And if that's the game, then one shouldn't complain of any antics going on now and in the future.

I, no longer, am surprised at what people twist themselves into in the bid to take the 'moral high ground'.

At least I think the playing field should always be level.
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To be brutally honest, yes.

Nor do I equate all ’dirty pool’ tactics as being the same. I don't regard keeping someone off the ballot due to improper filing as being the same as closing polling stations in areas that vote democrat or even republican if the situation was reversed.

I'm very black and white on this issue. Trump is insane, Biden is not insane. Right now I don't see much beyond that, other than I hope the spineless cunts who enable Trump also get voted out.
 
BobKowalski said:
To be brutally honest, yes.

Nor do I equate all ’dirty pool’ tactics as being the same. I don't regard keeping someone off the ballot due to improper filing as being the same as closing polling stations in areas that vote democrat or even republican if the situation was reversed.

I'm very black and white on this issue. Trump is insane, Biden is not insane. Right now I don't see much beyond that, other than I hope the spineless cunts who enable Trump also get voted out.
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I believe the "improper filing" was due to an address move?

Actually, here's what I found:
In this case, Democratic party activists challenged what they said were disqualifying irregularities in how the Green Party filed affidavits for the presidential candidate that is supposed to accompany paperwork with at least 5,000 voter signatures to get on the ballot.

Initially, Green Party officials faxed in an affidavit of candidacy for a placeholder candidate — under whose nominal candidacy the party gathered the signatures — by the Aug. 3 deadline. It was submitted separately from the voter signature paperwork, which was delivered by hand.

Hawkins also submitted his affidavit to take the place of the placeholder candidate, a routine procedure used by third parties, given the necessity of gathering signatures before the party formally nominates a candidate.

But the court ruled that the law requires an original copy of the affidavit to be submitted with the signature paperwork.

“And the court said, fax is not good enough,” said Larry Otter, the lawyer handling the case for the Green Party. “They need an original.”

The faxed affidavit wasn’t discovered until Aug. 25, after a Green Party official emailed a state election official to inquire about it.

Because the placeholder candidate didn’t properly submit the affidavit, Hawkins’ affidavit is nullified, the majority opinion said.
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This article is from Philly where it happened

5 Democratic judges voting down 2 Republican judges and people express this fear in the US Supreme Court!

A mere technicality for supporting voter suppression is okay, though!

I may not like either party (and the GOP less than that), but hypocrisy is still hypocrisy in my book.

But I also understand I stand alone on this issue.
 
Bigga said:
I believe the "improper filing" was due to an address move?

Actually, here's what I found:


This article is from Philly where it happened

5 Democratic judges voting down 2 Republican judges and people express this fear in the US Supreme Court!

A mere technicality for supporting voter suppression is okay, though!

I may not like either party (and the GOP less than that), but hypocrisy is still hypocrisy in my book.

But I also understand I stand alone on this issue.
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Pathetic response.

Is that the best you have to counter the massive massive scale of GOP voter supression.
 
Bigga said:
LOL! Did I ever, anywhere say that was right...?

Let me get this right, you think it's okay for the Dems to suppress a vote as well?
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The GOP are trying to make it difficult for whole sections of the electorate to vote, whether by disenfranchising them, making the mechanics of actually voting difficult and potentially unsafe, and by trying to stop legitimate votes from being counted.

The GOP have also been funding fringe left wing groups and tacitly supporting weirdo celebrities (Kanye West) that have little popular support in a blatant attempt to split the Democratic vote.

Funnily enough the Dems are doing something about it.

So they’re both the same obviously and need to be equally criticised.

Don’t make me laugh.
 
west didsblue said:
The GOP are trying to make it difficult for whole sections of the electorate to vote, whether by disenfranchising them, making the mechanics of actually voting difficult and potentially unsafe, and by trying to stop legitimate votes from being counted.

The GOP have also been funding fringe left wing groups and tacitly supporting weirdo celebrities (Kanye West) that have little popular support in a blatant attempt to split the Democratic vote.

Funnily enough the Dems are doing something about it.

So they’re both the same obviously and need to be equally criticised.

Don’t make me laugh.
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"The Green Party of the United States is a federation of Green state political parties in the United States. The party promotes green politics, specifically environmentalism; nonviolence; social justice; participatory, grassroots democracy; gender equality; LGBTQ rights; anti-war; anti-racism and ecosocialism."

Pretty progressive, it sounds to me. A part of the democratic process that Dems hate. Squashed within their own party. Squashed outside of it on the ballot.

It's only sad twats that looks for the excuses to change what's 'right and wrong'.

You keep straw manning a GOP position, I, obviously, do not concur with, but because I'm not joining in the chorus...

I'm merely pointing out suppression is suppression whether you like it or not.
 
Bigga said:
"The Green Party of the United States is a federation of Green state political parties in the United States. The party promotes green politics, specifically environmentalism; nonviolence; social justice; participatory, grassroots democracy; gender equality; LGBTQ rights; anti-war; anti-racism and ecosocialism."

Pretty progressive, it sounds to me. A part of the democratic process that Dems hate. Squashed within their own party. Squashed outside of it on the ballot.

It's only sad twats that looks for the excuses to change what's 'right and wrong'.

You keep straw manning a GOP position, I, obviously, do not concur with, but because I'm not joining in the chorus...

I'm merely pointing out suppression is suppression whether you like it or not.
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Technically, the Dem's aren't supressing the vote.

Removing ballot boxes, closing polling stations, cobbling the postal system and planning to intimidate voters at the polls are all active measures to try and prevent people from voting AT ALL. This IS voter suppression.

Having a candidate removed from the ticket for breaking the rules (albeit a technicality) is not preventing anyone from voting; just limiting their choice of candidates. It also doesn't remove the CHOICE to vote or not vote, but the antics of the GOP does.
 
Bigga said:
I believe the "improper filing" was due to an address move?

Actually, here's what I found:


This article is from Philly where it happened

5 Democratic judges voting down 2 Republican judges and people express this fear in the US Supreme Court!

A mere technicality for supporting voter suppression is okay, though!

I may not like either party (and the GOP less than that), but hypocrisy is still hypocrisy in my book.

But I also understand I stand alone on this issue.
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You're conflating separate issues, the strategic and the tactical.

The Right, certainly in the USA but in most western democracies, seeks to disenfranchise those who might vote against them, they've done this consistently over time. They have a variety of ways of doing it, but it cannot be denied it is one of their hallmarks, because, generally, the more people vote the less well they do.

Restricting choice, generally, as in Tweedledee Democrats versus Tweedledum Republicans, is a product of the propertied classes, corporate hegemony, whatever you want to call it.

These two themes are a given. They get distorted periodically, Trumps redneck populism, Thatcher's Mondeo Man, Boris's Brexit Red Wall nationalism, but these are aberrations, they rarely stick.

Restricting access to the ballot box and ensuring the capitalism candidate always wins, they're strategic.

Spoiler candidates, lie in the realm of low politics, like filibustering, rushing through a Supreme Court Judge, deliberate disinformation and downright lies, they're tactics.
 
Bigga said:
LOL! Did I ever, anywhere say that was right...?

Let me get this right, you think it's okay for the Dems to suppress a vote as well?
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I don't see the Dem's suppressing the vote. You have posted that a court ruled that a independent candidate failed to meet the requirements and didn't get on the ballot. Small beans in the grand scheme of things and not even voter supression.

On the other hand. The GOP are into voter supression on industrial scale far too much to even list.

Your suggestion that these things balance each other out is pathetic.
 
Gaudion M said:
I don't see the Dem's suppressing the vote. You have posted that a court ruled that a independent candidate failed to meet the requirements and didn't get on the ballot. Small beans in the grand scheme of things and not even voter supression.

On the other hand. The GOP are into voter supression on industrial scale far too much to even list.

Your suggestion that these things balance each other out is pathetic.
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well, he was racially abusing a player from the club he purports to support last weekend so it's nice for him to return to type.
 
The perfect fumble said:
You're conflating separate issues, the strategic and the tactical.

The Right, certainly in the USA but in most western democracies, seeks to disenfranchise those who might vote against them, they've done this consistently over time. They have a variety of ways of doing it, but it cannot be denied it is one of their hallmarks, because, generally, the more people vote the less well they do.

Restricting choice, generally, as in Tweedledee Democrats versus Tweedledum Republicans, is a product of the propertied classes, corporate hegemony, whatever you want to call it.

These two themes are a given. They get distorted periodically, Trumps redneck populism, Thatcher's Mondeo Man, Boris's Brexit Red Wall nationalism, but these are aberrations, they rarely stick.

Restricting access to the ballot box and ensuring the capitalism candidate always wins, they're strategic.

Spoiler candidates, lie in the realm of low politics, like filibustering, rushing through a Supreme Court Judge, deliberate disinformation and downright lies, they're tactics.
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On this particular situation it is both strategic AND tactical to remove the Green Party.

But, you're correct, the other choice is not to vote, which I'm sure people that do not like either party will do.

So, why not just grant them being on the ballot...?

It's silly and OTT from the Dems.
 
Gaudion M said:
I don't see the Dem's suppressing the vote. You have posted that a court ruled that a independent candidate failed to meet the requirements and didn't get on the ballot. Small beans in the grand scheme of things and not even voter supression.

On the other hand. The GOP are into voter supression on industrial scale far too much to even list.

Your suggestion that these things balance each other out is pathetic.
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Hey dummy, quote me where I said they "balanced out"??

If I haven't said that, don't make out I did.
 
PannickAtTheDisco said:
well, he was racially abusing a player from the club he purports to support last weekend so it's nice for him to return to type.
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Look at you!

Putting together your perception of 'abuse' and 'voter suppression' as a thing!!

You were free to gather up your petticoat as you had 'the vapours' and report me.

I'm sure it would have been upheld...
 
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