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Ruth Bader Ginsberg was voted in 96-3. Scalia was voted in 98-0.

And you're trying to compare them to who, Amy Coney Barrett? 52-48. Kavanaugh? 50-48?

You know as well as I do that those last 2 votes are not reflective of the actual stance of everybody involved and instead were party whipped in response to Garland. Suggesting that this was a judged individually on their partisanship, and not judged in the fact that their parties literally told them to vote that way is intellectually dishonest.

What was Robert Bork comfirmed at?

What about Alito?

Why didn't you mention Thomas' 52-48?
 
Was very close to writing in for @Bigga but went with Joe Biden in the end. Very tough call. Also there was a line down the block at 6:15 in the morning, which I imagine says good things about turnout this time around.
You should have wrote me in! With all those lining up for Biden, what difference would it have made for me to be voted in?!

That would have been fun.

For me.
 
It's very interesting you say this, there are some polling groups that try and take into account the supposed shy trump vote and as a result have him down as winning again.



Never got the ‘shy Trump’ vote given the way they walk around in bright red hats and bumper stickers over their trucks.

The other part I never got was Trump losing by 3 million votes, so not so much ‘shy‘ as don’t really exist.
 
You know as well as I do that those last 2 votes are not reflective of the actual stance of everybody involved and instead were party whipped in response to Garland. Suggesting that this was a judged individually on their partisanship, and not judged in the fact that their parties literally told them to vote that way is intellectually dishonest.

What was Robert Bork comfirmed at?
Bork was a bad choice. Everyone knew it.
 
Never got the ‘shy Trump’ vote given the way they walk around in bright red hats and bumper stickers over their trucks.

The other part I never got was Trump losing by 3 million votes, so not so much ‘shy‘ as don’t really exist.

I don't necessarily buy into it, you obviously have the extremist voters but it would explain why he beat Hilary in certain key states
 
Never got the ‘shy Trump’ vote given the way they walk around in bright red hats and bumper stickers over their trucks.

The other part I never got was Trump losing by 3 million votes, so not so much ‘shy‘ as don’t really exist.

I agree.

If there is a 'shy' voting bloc out there I think it will be for Biden.
 
What I am saying is don't trust polls. Trump will have huge support that go about their business quietly, as not to do so leads to claims of being racist from clearly bigoted individuals such as yourself. Now, by your own actions, can you see the problem? ... I hope so.
We're basically arguing timing at this point.

We agree that the US is fucked. I think it's fucked because American culture is fucked and this predates Trump, who is a symptom of that culture rather than the cause. Healthy democracies don't vote in game show hosts with no previous political experience with highly unrealistic promises that claim their democracy is corrupt. The very fact he claimed their democracy is corrupt with his swamp draining rhetoric and still had a massive amount of the voters voting for him is indeed evidence of the fact that many Americans already believed their democracy to be corrupt.

I think about the lynchings and the Christian fundamentalists/evangelical streak and the race riots that seem to happened every decade or so, and the Wall Street influence and the lobbyist system and the overly partisan rhetoric and the PATRIOT Act (and successsors) and the constant interventionalist foreign policy and the flag waving and the gun toting and the Pledge of Allegiance in schools and the fascist symbology and the fight against LGBT rights and the portrayal of Muslims in the media even predating 9/11 and Rodney King and OJ Simpson and the general worship of the military or soldiers and that 25% of the American people believe the Earth orbits the Sun and 75% or so believe in the literal existence of angels and the denial of climate change and the demonisation of the United Nations and the "vaccines cause autism" thing and the homelessness situation including how they're portrayed in US media and the "gang culture" and the corporate exploitation of social movements and the constant non-stop propaganda by the media, politicians and corporations.

I think of all these and when somebody says "it's Trump fault that our country is divided" or some such then it never rings true to me. I'm sure that he hasn't helped but that horse bolted long ago.
Its definitely not Trumps fault alone that the US is where it is currently, but removing him could be the first vital component of trying to find a way back from the cliff face.
No guarantees of course but would be nice to see the American public at least try and show the world that they are not all bonkers.
 
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